Webberley vs Gold

I have a friend who’d kid tried to trans. One of the reasons my friend peaked was rge GGP business model - she said it was a scam for desperate people.

the other reasons my friend peaked was because I told her all the stuff I’d learned here. Thanks, MN!

'The subscription fee doesn't cover anything except access to the organisation.' I looked at it yesterday and thought exactly the same thing

The Starbuck interview is the worst one yet I think. It started off with her psychopathic denial of reality 'i didn't call anyone a bigot, when, oh it's not in front of me, oh well if you say so, who is riley gaines, i have never heard of her' it is enraging how she uses words to try to deny reality in this way. Then laughing at rape victims, calling Starbuck's arguments "bollocks", flirting with him and saying he would go down well in a gay bar - how does she know - does she speak for gay men now too? Does she hang out in gay bars then? The aggression, the fawning and flirting, the repetition of the same tired phrases over and over again, the way she is absolutely unable to see another person's perspective, it is wildly deranged and embarrassing. Interestingly i also looked up gendergp on trust pilot and it had some really bad reviews saying that the initial consultation is very caring and supportive but then it is all done by ai and it 's impossible to speak to a real person without paying for another appointment which is difficult to arrange anyway. Even adjusting an incorrect prescription (ie a mistake made by gender gp) all has to be paid for on top of the subscription fee. The subscription fee doesn't cover anything except access to the organisation. Some reviews went so far as to call it a scam organisation. Hopefully it will be one of her disgruntled patients that eventually makes a complaint that gets it shut down.

I'm watching the Gold interview now and she is definitely being so polite to him in stark comparison to her sneering behaviour towards Bindel and Joyce.

I've never come across people who can tell untruths with a lack of inhibition, and recklessness, in the way that people like Webberley (and the TRAs we get posting on FWR) do. I'm not used to this level of dissembling from people just to get their own way.

Honestly I think It's all about the money.

I think she cares as much about childrenwith gender dysphoria as Michelle Mone cares about PPE.

The Starbuck interview 11 min in

. 8 m transgender people° in the USA
× £195 her sign up fee

Her target is a market worth a minimum of
£1,560,000,000

° (she may be counting the dangly penis type people only)

Plus a £165 "consultation fee"
Plus £30 per month subs from a life long client
Plus other commissions from upselling services

Loooooooooads on cash in play if she can get a team of US medics willing to provide access to the drugs for her core busuness.

On language from memory of prior interviews she would have used the word woman rather than "female".

The slogan is TWAW not TFAF.

Plus with in the context of cultures "female" in both UK and USA English is an subtle insult as the natural pattern while speaking is to say woman. While her medical training would focus on correctly sexing a male as a male.

And her animation her eyes and face movements reflect the amount of energy she is putting into selecting words to match her message

”What makes you a woman?"
"Well, I just am! I don't know how, I just know."

That reminds me of an article I read which first got me questioning the nonsense of this movement over a decade ago. It was a female journalist saying she didn’t know what made her a woman but she just knew that she was one and she ended it with saying “and that’s ok” . I just remembered thinking, no that’s not ok, that’s lunacy 😂

The fact that she doesn't seem to have felt that a Commonwealth country might have need of her services gives me some optimism re Australia & NZ. Sadly, she still has too many competitors in Canada.

@GarlicHound I came to comment but you have beaten me with the exact same thoughts. 😎

The interviewer has the measure of slippery HW and her techniques. V fun to watch HW deranged logic. It is still enraging but so good to see her reveal her (and husband’s) limited grasp of reality.

I worry even writing this as Webberly could read it and be even more emboldened to put all her eggs in the American basket.

I wonder if she has any other baskets to choose from. It may be that the countries she has been operating from are tightening their prescribing rules to an extent that she can longer operate from that country.

She had planned to provide puberty blockers via Northern Ireland until they changed their rules.

Oh, and often I'd be sympathetic when someone does this, but it was hilarious when Robby said he'd pray for her!

I am in the US and what scares me most is we Americans often associate high intelligence and education with a British accent like hers. Unless you're listening closely and have a background in the nonsense of gender ideology, she could easily come off as sympathetic and knowledgable. She's adept at using guilt by suggesting if you don't agree with her you're a mean bigot who hates children, and Americans fall for that all the time. We really want to be perceived as nice and kind and openminded. When she said she was so insulted on behalf of transwomen, I got a sick feeling in my stomach because I felt that very cultural reaction to protest, "no, no, no, no, no. I'm a good person who wants everyone to be happy and not to hurt their feelings."

I worry even writing this as Webberly could read it and be even more emboldened to put all her eggs in the American basket.

She's a very dangerous grifter. Curious if any Americans on this thread agree.

She is despicably callous at many points. Rape victims? Pfft. If they don't like penises, they shouldn't look at them.

For someone trying to grab a share of the US market, she's displaying incredible ignorance of the fact they have different laws and systems. She tried to tell Starbuck that children don't have 'gender affirming' surgeries while he was describing a previous interviewee who'd had a mastectomy at 13. Her arrogance must be off the scale! I'm confidently armchair-diagnosing her with NPD.

"Let them speak" is going swimmingly, I feel 😂 Hope she's got a bunch more of these Helen Webberley Car Crash Shows lined up.

She thinks WPATH are experts and wonderful, but she claims not to know who Marci Bowers is.

I thought it was a bit of a pity that by about half way through, Robby Starbuck had got fed up with her nonsense and changed tack from asking questions she had no answer to, to telling it like it is. The questioning approach was more effective. But he managed to get her to give herself away several times and I almost thought he got through her defences a couple of times. If she's not careful, she'll find herself peaking ...

... but then again, she has the next attacking move up her sleeve ready for when she realises she's losing. Desperation measures because she really has nothing.

She is despicably callous at many points throughout that interview.
Zero conscience or empathy.
Looks like she burnt her forehead with straighteners. Which is really painful tbh.

In the RS interview he talks about a girl being raped in the school toilets (I think he's referring to Loudoun County) and Webberly laughs at him.

On detransitioners, I’d have liked andrew to compare her comment about “3%” who detransition to any other similarly experimental procedures achieving those odds.

@Imbrocator I haven’t watched her interview yet with Andrew, (saw the one with HJ yesterday) the way you’ve described her talking about Ritchie is SO very HW. You’ve got her spot on. I cannot believe that anyone could be so involved in this issue and have NOT heard of Ritchie. Andrew has done an interview with him/her, well worth watching also.

@Soontobe60 I need to put money in Mr Mennos coffee pot thing a) because I love him and b) because you are right, his take down on these HW interviews is going to be excellent.

At approx 6 mins, Webberley behaves exactly like a narcissist. She corrects Starbuck on his terminology "identifies as transgender" and keeps talking over him when he pushes back. She clearly understands what he meant but just keeps on going, trying to make him use the term she prefers, "identifies as female". It's really USE MY WORDS! NO, MY WORDS, USE THEM!

She's hopelessly behind the curve on transracial and otherkin. She's delivering her patronising mini-lecture on why you can't identify as black or an animal because reasons (which apply equally to sex, obvs). I think you'll find all identities are valid, Helen 🙄

Bloody hell. Robby brings up the fact that brains don't fully mature until your twenties and Helen asked which medical source he got this from and said she'd never heard this before. According to her brains are fully developed at birth.

Wow 😮
Mask off.
Something hasn’t gone to plan!

And now, a fourth interview - 20 mins in and this is the worst so far - she's raging -

I’ve watched all three interviews and thought this one made her run out of road / squirm most. Thanks to the format I think (and possibly because I was only listening and not watching as doing something else at the same time)

Outrageous and bare-faced lying in the segment on systematic reviews. Gold caught her out on the NICE angle but missed that WPATH suppressed the analysis it commissioned Johns Hopkins to carry out because it didn’t show what they needed it to show. They substituted some unsubstantiated fine words in the Standards of Care. It all came out to bite them, either via discovery in one of the challenges to State ban of child medicalisation or WPATH Files, I forget which

The Dark Triad cannot be excluded when wondering about Webberley.

Andrew, is that you?