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She/hers everyhere on event programme i'm attending, what do I do?

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Cerialkiller · 19/11/2025 09:42

I casually agreed to meet a relative at a local education conference later today, she is one of the speakers. she booked me in, all good. Just gone through the programme and everyone has pronouns and suddenly im gripped with uncertainty about going.

I can't make a scene as its her event but everyone will have name badges including me and it didn't even occur to me that this would come up. I work from home freelance in a pretty male dominated industry so thought I had avoided all this shit!

Any ideas how I can carefully avoid she/her pronouns without making it a big deal? Not just the badge but if it comes up in conversation. I'm really afraid I'll say something sensible out loud, acidentally that's against dogma and out myself. Whats worse it that my relative is a big TRA supported, manages to shoehorn it into most conversations. I think she suspects im at the very least not as into it as she is but this is really not the time or place to get into it.

My current plan is to go late, meet her for lunch, stay for her talk and then make an excuse to run off. If things run late then I'll have to make a dash to pick up the kids anyway. Otherwise do a lot of nodding and smiling. The name badge will deal with when I get there.

I'm now wishing I hadn't spent the last couple of days catching up on all the videos from the genspec conference as its just entrenching my principles. I don't think I can put she/her on the badge, I just can't.

I hope i'm making a bigger deal about this then it is, my stomach just dropped when I saw it. I have zero practice with this, i'm also super awkward and struggle to lie off the cuff.

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Cerialkiller · 19/11/2025 10:41

I also like 'Oh I haven't decided yet...is that OK?' with a sad expression while looking at the floor.

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Cerialkiller · 19/11/2025 10:40

Dolphinnoises · 19/11/2025 10:38

Ooh I have a ready-made reply which I’ve never had to use - you can have mine!

“I am strongly opposed to universal public pronouns. I think they put young people under intolerable pressure to make a public statement. You would never dream of doing that with sexuality”.

And then watch them implode. I mean all of that from a GC standpoint but even if I was a true believer, I would still think that because just like with sexuality, it’s up to people how much they share.

I'm writing this on my hand...with the aforementioned sharpie. Useful in a number of circumstances.

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Swiftasthewind · 19/11/2025 10:40

Pronouns are very important to people who exist outside the western invented binary system that was created to keep women like chattel. If you don’t agree with it, the best you can do is just keep your prejudice to yourself, your opinion isn’t warranted and is also offensive to those whose identity differs from the status quo.

CitizenofMoronia · 19/11/2025 10:40

Cerialkiller · 19/11/2025 10:33

I'll look puzzled at the toilet doors. Look pointedly at my name badge, pull out a sharpie and cross out the she/her and put in zee/zer then wonder around looking lost and muttering about there being no toilets for me and how disgraceful that is.

its fine, take a litter tray with you whip it out and let loose in the middle of the keynote speech

Dolphinnoises · 19/11/2025 10:38

Ooh I have a ready-made reply which I’ve never had to use - you can have mine!

“I am strongly opposed to universal public pronouns. I think they put young people under intolerable pressure to make a public statement. You would never dream of doing that with sexuality”.

And then watch them implode. I mean all of that from a GC standpoint but even if I was a true believer, I would still think that because just like with sexuality, it’s up to people how much they share.

CitizenofMoronia · 19/11/2025 10:38

My pronouns are your majesty/empress of the Universe. Thats what I identify as and that's what I shall be referred to at any given opportunity.. its even on my facebook profile. :-)

Cerialkiller · 19/11/2025 10:37

Greyskybluesky · 19/11/2025 10:34

You have no reason to feel silly about wanting to talk about it on here.

You said you work at home in a male-dominated industry. You wanted some perspective from women on here. That's absolutely fine.

I hope it's an interesting conference anyway.

Thanks, She's an excellent speaker so her bit will be good if I can catch it. I'm usually bored to death at conferences, even ones i've chosen to go to!

It's making me realise that i'm clearly turning into a hermit (despite having a husband and children) and maybe I should get out more.

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Cerialkiller · 19/11/2025 10:35

JeRevien · 19/11/2025 10:32

I was going to say it wont be a problem as usually for an event like this you are asked for your pronouns when registering, and that is what gets printed on your badge. There is generally an option for prefer not to say, and then you get a badge with just your name on it and nobody notices or cares.

However the issue is that if your relative has paid they have probably said what your pronouns are and so you will get pronouns on your badge.

Oh fuck you're right! She will have as well! How very presumptive of her!

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Greyskybluesky · 19/11/2025 10:34

Cerialkiller · 19/11/2025 10:25

I've already said I would go. She's paid for my entry. I'm going. But thanks for giving my head a wobble I know i'm being silly, I don't spend enough time around people anymore, im lacking practice at the best of times.

You have no reason to feel silly about wanting to talk about it on here.

You said you work at home in a male-dominated industry. You wanted some perspective from women on here. That's absolutely fine.

I hope it's an interesting conference anyway.

Cerialkiller · 19/11/2025 10:33

viques · 19/11/2025 10:27

And someone will watch which toilet you use! They have many ways of discovering your secret gender identity. 🙂

I'll look puzzled at the toilet doors. Look pointedly at my name badge, pull out a sharpie and cross out the she/her and put in zee/zer then wonder around looking lost and muttering about there being no toilets for me and how disgraceful that is.

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JeRevien · 19/11/2025 10:32

I was going to say it wont be a problem as usually for an event like this you are asked for your pronouns when registering, and that is what gets printed on your badge. There is generally an option for prefer not to say, and then you get a badge with just your name on it and nobody notices or cares.

However the issue is that if your relative has paid they have probably said what your pronouns are and so you will get pronouns on your badge.

Cerialkiller · 19/11/2025 10:31

JamieCannister · 19/11/2025 10:24

Your perspective and approach is more controlled, measured and arguably mature than mine!

I'm not as brave as you. Even if I know I'm right, for good reasons, doesn't mean that I can artculate it well in the moment without me ranting like a loony. That wouldnt be good for the cause. I envy those who can argue calmly about this.

I accept work from them and quietly use it to pay towards court cases instead...

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viques · 19/11/2025 10:27

NowYouSee · 19/11/2025 09:54

I would think about having a handful of standard phrases that you could use if trans/sex based rights issues come up and you don’t want to get drawn it. Stuff like
“it is certainly a challenging area”

if it gets trickier then just say “good to speak, you’ll have to excuse me” and head to the toilets.

And someone will watch which toilet you use! They have many ways of discovering your secret gender identity. 🙂

Cerialkiller · 19/11/2025 10:25

ForFunnyOliveEagle · 19/11/2025 10:20

What a load of waffle over nothing. Just don’t bloody go if you’re so against pronouns.

I've already said I would go. She's paid for my entry. I'm going. But thanks for giving my head a wobble I know i'm being silly, I don't spend enough time around people anymore, im lacking practice at the best of times.

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JamieCannister · 19/11/2025 10:24

Cerialkiller · 19/11/2025 10:15

She's my sister. I think as the whole idology wanes she will shift too, shes that type. I don't want to risk the realtionship. I do want to challenge her on this and have been nibbling away at the sides but as we generally only see each other a couple of times a year at big family events there isn't really an opportunity to get into the weeds with it without effecting the event.

I'm only going to see her as she lives several hours away usually and I don't see her often. No i'm not directly involved with the event but there maybe some work coming from a couple of the organisations in the future so i'm partially going to show my face to rmeind them I exist! Another reason to nod along to the whole thing.

Your perspective and approach is more controlled, measured and arguably mature than mine!

ForFunnyOliveEagle · 19/11/2025 10:20

What a load of waffle over nothing. Just don’t bloody go if you’re so against pronouns.

Cerialkiller · 19/11/2025 10:19

Greyskybluesky · 19/11/2025 10:11

Just gone through the programme and everyone has pronouns

Remember that they will have been told to have pronouns. Not everyone will agree with that, but they've gone along with it because work etc.

The organisers think it looks progressive in the programme. They don't realise that having forced pronouns is rapidly losing popularity.

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It's education, still very captured from what I can tell, especially in left leaning areas like here. I see a lot of legals fights in the future.

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Cerialkiller · 19/11/2025 10:17

Justme56 · 19/11/2025 10:14

Personally I’d just lose the name badge - easily done.

Yes good idea 'oh I left it on my coat'

It's pouring here today it could get unfortunatly wet too.

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Cerialkiller · 19/11/2025 10:15

JamieCannister · 19/11/2025 10:05

You don't make it at all clear whether you have any professional links to the content of the conference, or are you going there purely to support the relative?

I can't make a scene as its her event but everyone will have name badges including me and it didn't even occur to me that this would come up.

On that basis I would cancel / feign illness.

I could not attend something like this without saying at reception (for example) "I am sorry, I cannot wear that name badge which is announcing a third party pronoun demand that I am making to everyone I meet... partly because it is stupid and authoritarian, and partly because I am afraid people might see me and I might lose massive amounts of credibility as a result". But I say that as someone who - to a very large extent - would rather lose my career than go along with this nonsense, and can probablly just about get away with it financially if the worst happened.

Whats worse it that my relative is a big TRA supported, manages to shoehorn it into most conversations.

You don't say what relation this relative is to you. But again, a bit like my career, however much I love my family and don't want to ruin relationships, I could not spend time with a TRA without telling them EXACTLY how stupid and evil I believe their insane beliefs are. Obviously there is a risk of a fall out, but the alternative is to never see them again so I am not forced to tell them what I think of their bigoted, childhood destroying beliefs.

She's my sister. I think as the whole idology wanes she will shift too, shes that type. I don't want to risk the realtionship. I do want to challenge her on this and have been nibbling away at the sides but as we generally only see each other a couple of times a year at big family events there isn't really an opportunity to get into the weeds with it without effecting the event.

I'm only going to see her as she lives several hours away usually and I don't see her often. No i'm not directly involved with the event but there maybe some work coming from a couple of the organisations in the future so i'm partially going to show my face to rmeind them I exist! Another reason to nod along to the whole thing.

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Justme56 · 19/11/2025 10:14

Personally I’d just lose the name badge - easily done.

Greyskybluesky · 19/11/2025 10:11

Just gone through the programme and everyone has pronouns

Remember that they will have been told to have pronouns. Not everyone will agree with that, but they've gone along with it because work etc.

The organisers think it looks progressive in the programme. They don't realise that having forced pronouns is rapidly losing popularity.

RNApolymerase · 19/11/2025 10:11

Presumably as a pp said they won't have the badges pre-printed with pronouns as how would they possibly know what they are? I'd politely decline to have mine added. Or I like to think I would - in the moment I might just run away instead.
You can always use the "displayed pronouns could be outing people" argument if you are not bold enough to go with "this is nonsense".

Echobelly · 19/11/2025 10:09

It won't come up in conversation.

JamieCannister · 19/11/2025 10:07

ScaryM0nster · 19/11/2025 09:58

I think youre imagining problems where Theyre unlikely to exist.

The age old line used with children applies to adults too. If you don’t have anything constructive to say, you dont need to say anything. It’s an excellent way to avoid developing an antagonising discussion.

Gender ideology is 100% destructive. Surely by definition anything said in contradiction to it is constructive?

JamieCannister · 19/11/2025 10:05

You don't make it at all clear whether you have any professional links to the content of the conference, or are you going there purely to support the relative?

I can't make a scene as its her event but everyone will have name badges including me and it didn't even occur to me that this would come up.

On that basis I would cancel / feign illness.

I could not attend something like this without saying at reception (for example) "I am sorry, I cannot wear that name badge which is announcing a third party pronoun demand that I am making to everyone I meet... partly because it is stupid and authoritarian, and partly because I am afraid people might see me and I might lose massive amounts of credibility as a result". But I say that as someone who - to a very large extent - would rather lose my career than go along with this nonsense, and can probablly just about get away with it financially if the worst happened.

Whats worse it that my relative is a big TRA supported, manages to shoehorn it into most conversations.

You don't say what relation this relative is to you. But again, a bit like my career, however much I love my family and don't want to ruin relationships, I could not spend time with a TRA without telling them EXACTLY how stupid and evil I believe their insane beliefs are. Obviously there is a risk of a fall out, but the alternative is to never see them again so I am not forced to tell them what I think of their bigoted, childhood destroying beliefs.

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