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She/hers everyhere on event programme i'm attending, what do I do?

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Cerialkiller · 19/11/2025 09:42

I casually agreed to meet a relative at a local education conference later today, she is one of the speakers. she booked me in, all good. Just gone through the programme and everyone has pronouns and suddenly im gripped with uncertainty about going.

I can't make a scene as its her event but everyone will have name badges including me and it didn't even occur to me that this would come up. I work from home freelance in a pretty male dominated industry so thought I had avoided all this shit!

Any ideas how I can carefully avoid she/her pronouns without making it a big deal? Not just the badge but if it comes up in conversation. I'm really afraid I'll say something sensible out loud, acidentally that's against dogma and out myself. Whats worse it that my relative is a big TRA supported, manages to shoehorn it into most conversations. I think she suspects im at the very least not as into it as she is but this is really not the time or place to get into it.

My current plan is to go late, meet her for lunch, stay for her talk and then make an excuse to run off. If things run late then I'll have to make a dash to pick up the kids anyway. Otherwise do a lot of nodding and smiling. The name badge will deal with when I get there.

I'm now wishing I hadn't spent the last couple of days catching up on all the videos from the genspec conference as its just entrenching my principles. I don't think I can put she/her on the badge, I just can't.

I hope i'm making a bigger deal about this then it is, my stomach just dropped when I saw it. I have zero practice with this, i'm also super awkward and struggle to lie off the cuff.

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Cerialkiller · 19/11/2025 11:42

LongOutBreath · 19/11/2025 11:26

I'm over sensitive to other people's emotions plus I feel anxious if I have to lie so the best I can do in these situations is live my own truth.

" I'm sorry I don't really have pronouns so I didn't know what to put?" "I don't think I really have a gender identity so I left it blank" ". I don't mind what pronouns you use for me so I left it blank". All these would feel like I'm being honest to myself without being overly combative to those who believe in genderism.

I may go down this route depending on circumstances. That's probabaly what I would have done (and may still do) before asking on hear but my loins feel girded now!

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AppropriateAdult · 19/11/2025 11:42

I think you’ve got it sorted, OP, but there’s always the option to play dumb:

”What are your pronouns?”
”How do you mean?”
”Well, do you like to be referred to as she, or he, or something else?”
”Well, I’m a woman… Sorry, is that - is that not clear?” <rubs upper lip self-consciously> “Shit, is my ‘tache back again?! I just can’t keep on top of it.”

LongOutBreath · 19/11/2025 11:26

I'm over sensitive to other people's emotions plus I feel anxious if I have to lie so the best I can do in these situations is live my own truth.

" I'm sorry I don't really have pronouns so I didn't know what to put?" "I don't think I really have a gender identity so I left it blank" ". I don't mind what pronouns you use for me so I left it blank". All these would feel like I'm being honest to myself without being overly combative to those who believe in genderism.

Cerialkiller · 19/11/2025 11:17

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I'm sorry, thats so funny, just scared the cat off my lap with laughing.

Also 'your redundent attempt to mock me' followed by a flounce, is YET ANOTHER good phrase to use for anyone questioning my lack on pronouns.

Thanks so much!

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Cerialkiller · 19/11/2025 11:13

TallulahBetty · 19/11/2025 11:02

How would they put your pronouns on your badge without asking you for them? Surely assuming you're 'she/her' is against the whole thing they are trying to do? <clutching at ever-decreasing straws>

Well a lack of internal logic has never stopped them before...

As pp has said, I fear my sister may have forgotten my actual pronouns (neenee/neeneenee) and put down she/her because she loves the 'western invented binery system', or hates it? I dunno can't keep up.

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Swiftasthewind · 19/11/2025 11:12

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TallulahBetty · 19/11/2025 11:02

How would they put your pronouns on your badge without asking you for them? Surely assuming you're 'she/her' is against the whole thing they are trying to do? <clutching at ever-decreasing straws>

Serasar · 19/11/2025 11:02

Cerialkiller · 19/11/2025 10:58

I think at this point this thread is about assuaging my imagined concerns (which is has) by preparing me for imagined conflict. I'm ASD so having a battery of phrases ahead of time is reassuring, although i'll be dissapointed not to use any of them now.

Please let us know how it goes? I have these ‘worries’ myself!

Cerialkiller · 19/11/2025 11:01

Wowthatwasabigstep · 19/11/2025 10:57

If the issue of pronouns comes up a direct ‘oh don’t be so silly’ would work and if badges are already printed ask for a pen to cross any such nonsense out.

I am a vocal and proud TERF, it is long overdue that we challenge and put the deluded firmly in their place.

I completely agree but I'm so awkward that i'm more likely to do the cause a disservice, especially if something is sprung on me unexpectedly as I'll immediatly fall back on the 'you want rapists in woman's prison?!' argument that will make me seem unhinged, correct or not.

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Cerialkiller · 19/11/2025 10:58

Bagsintheboot · 19/11/2025 10:53

Let's face it, if it's anything like most conferences I go to the topics of conversation will be: the weather, where you've come from, what you do for work, what you thought of the last talk, and maybe from a few very keen people some in depth discussion around the industry and latest developments.

The overall theme will be "boring but it's better than being in the office".

There's really no need to be tying yourself in knots and thinking up elaborate strategies to avoid conversations about something that is supremely unlikely to actually come up in conversation.

I think at this point this thread is about assuaging my imagined concerns (which is has) by preparing me for imagined conflict. I'm ASD so having a battery of phrases ahead of time is reassuring, although i'll be dissapointed not to use any of them now.

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Wowthatwasabigstep · 19/11/2025 10:57

If the issue of pronouns comes up a direct ‘oh don’t be so silly’ would work and if badges are already printed ask for a pen to cross any such nonsense out.

I am a vocal and proud TERF, it is long overdue that we challenge and put the deluded firmly in their place.

Greyskybluesky · 19/11/2025 10:56

Cerialkiller · 19/11/2025 10:45

'I'm outside the western invented binery system' could be an excellent thing to to say to someone offering me a badge. I could just storm off angrily afterwards. Thanks for your help!

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That's brilliant!

Cerialkiller · 19/11/2025 10:55

Gettingbysomehow · 19/11/2025 10:50

If someone printed she/her on my work badge I'd be deleting it with a sharpie pen. I've got zero time for this shit. I just got into a similar argument on a university course I paid to go on. I absolutely forbade them to put my pronouns on my badge and refused to tell them what my pronouns were.

It sounds like I definately need to take a sharpie with me, I dont work for Sharpie LTD I swear, Other permenant pens are available.

All this is making it sound like such fun to go now.

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KneelyThere · 19/11/2025 10:53

Or “I can’t wear a lanyard because the cord irritates my skin for some reason”

And don’t get into the argument with people at an event like this. Tackle it with dsis another day

Bagsintheboot · 19/11/2025 10:53

Let's face it, if it's anything like most conferences I go to the topics of conversation will be: the weather, where you've come from, what you do for work, what you thought of the last talk, and maybe from a few very keen people some in depth discussion around the industry and latest developments.

The overall theme will be "boring but it's better than being in the office".

There's really no need to be tying yourself in knots and thinking up elaborate strategies to avoid conversations about something that is supremely unlikely to actually come up in conversation.

KneelyThere · 19/11/2025 10:52

I would take my own name badge and say “oh I can’t use the ones with pins / the sticky ones because my top is made of a delicate fabric so I brought my own.”

Alpacajigsaw · 19/11/2025 10:51

If it’s not a work thing you don’t have to wear the name badge.

I think you are overthinking a bit if you feel you need to go I’d just wear something subtle in green/white/purple and ignore the name badge and all pronoun requests.

Gettingbysomehow · 19/11/2025 10:50

If someone printed she/her on my work badge I'd be deleting it with a sharpie pen. I've got zero time for this shit. I just got into a similar argument on a university course I paid to go on. I absolutely forbade them to put my pronouns on my badge and refused to tell them what my pronouns were.

Letthemeatgateau · 19/11/2025 10:49

Swiftasthewind · 19/11/2025 10:40

Pronouns are very important to people who exist outside the western invented binary system that was created to keep women like chattel. If you don’t agree with it, the best you can do is just keep your prejudice to yourself, your opinion isn’t warranted and is also offensive to those whose identity differs from the status quo.

Grin

I think you'll find that women being treated as chattels has everything to do with sex and bugger all to do with 'identity'.

Cerialkiller · 19/11/2025 10:48

I think i'm brave enough to ask some strategic questions/innocent statements if anyone has any clever ones.

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Cerialkiller · 19/11/2025 10:45

'I'm outside the western invented binery system' could be an excellent thing to to say to someone offering me a badge. I could just storm off angrily afterwards. Thanks for your help!

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PrizedPickledPopcorn · 19/11/2025 10:44

I’d waffle a lot around with some safe sentences.

Oh dear! I always worry so much about pronouns. I’m afraid that people will feel pressured to use them and worry about getting it wrong offending or outing people. It’s such a worry.

Realistically, the choice you will have to make is display the badge or not. I’d turn it round if it were me.

No one is going to actually require you comment on it all.

AgentPidge · 19/11/2025 10:43

I'm sure there'll be a lot of interesting stuff to discuss with these people. If anything potentially 'outing' comes up, just smile and nod. I would find it hard to keep from speaking the truth in that scenario, so mouth firmly closed is the only way to avoid potentially throwing a grenade into the discussion. I would just accept the she/her on the badge. And don't have any alcohol!

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 19/11/2025 10:41

Swiftasthewind · 19/11/2025 10:40

Pronouns are very important to people who exist outside the western invented binary system that was created to keep women like chattel. If you don’t agree with it, the best you can do is just keep your prejudice to yourself, your opinion isn’t warranted and is also offensive to those whose identity differs from the status quo.

Haha, that's comedy gold.

Oh, wait, you were serious weren't you.

Greyskybluesky · 19/11/2025 10:41

Swiftasthewind · 19/11/2025 10:40

Pronouns are very important to people who exist outside the western invented binary system that was created to keep women like chattel. If you don’t agree with it, the best you can do is just keep your prejudice to yourself, your opinion isn’t warranted and is also offensive to those whose identity differs from the status quo.

Her opinion is as valid as anybody else's and if people find it offensive then it's up to them to deal with