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The managed silence of women in politics

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IwantToRetire · 18/11/2025 20:14

None of this needs a censor’s red pen. It takes venue policies, “values” statements and security theatre – and a legal climate ambiguous enough to chill – to make people police themselves. That’s how self-censorship becomes the house style.

You don’t need prohibitions when you have process. Venue terms. HR protocols. “Dignity at work” rules stretched past their purpose. Security assessments that become vetoes in all but name.

Layer in legal fog – see the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act, with its elastic definitions of “abusive” speech – and the effect is predictable: people trim sentences, swerve topics, decline invitations, and ladle on caveats until the point collapses.

Result: careful words, careful silences, careful disengagement. The oxygen leaks out of debate and everyone learns to breathe shallowly.

... watch where the stage literally disappears – where apologies are issued for a guest’s presence, and “security” is the pretext for cancellation. It clusters around women who speak plainly on sex and gender, or whose faith informs their politics.

For years they were told to take up space. Now the instruction is different: mind your tone, moderate your beliefs, make yourself smaller. That’s not equality; it’s an equal-opportunities gag.
Hard censorship is obvious: a cancelled event, a withdrawn platform, a disciplinary.

Soft censorship is subtler and more corrosive: “we can’t support the impact of hosting you”; “let’s not distract from priorities”; “for unity, could you not raise this now?” None of those measures bans content. All shrink the space where women can contribute. ...

Continues at https://thinkscotland.org/2025/11/censorship-with-paperwork-the-managed-silence-of-women-in-politics/

The managed silence of women in politics

Our choice is simple: accept a shrinking space for speech, or widen the doorway and bring the arguments back into daylight.

https://thinkscotland.org/2025/11/censorship-with-paperwork-the-managed-silence-of-women-in-politics/

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Shedmistress · 19/11/2025 09:37

JoyintheMorning · 19/11/2025 09:34

'What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet'
So please don't deliberately call it a geranium, that name is already taken

What about Rose Scented Pelargoniums? Waa.

JoyintheMorning · 19/11/2025 09:34

'What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet'
So please don't deliberately call it a geranium, that name is already taken

Greyskybluesky · 19/11/2025 09:30

ErrolTheDragon · 19/11/2025 09:23

Probably not, at least not some elements - any more than shows we watched in the 60s or 70s would be and on the whole good riddance.
Proper satire is still alive and starting to kick again in places on the radio though.

Is it? I am so glad to hear that! I listened to the Radio 4 evening comedy slot for years until it became unbearable - weak comedy, woke presenters, unfunny comedians. I'd love to hear some genuinely sharp and funny voices again.

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ErrolTheDragon · 19/11/2025 09:23

Greyskybluesky · 19/11/2025 09:18

It does make me wonder if programmes like LB and League of Gentlemen would get made now

Probably not, at least not some elements - any more than shows we watched in the 60s or 70s would be and on the whole good riddance.
Proper satire is still alive and starting to kick again in places on the radio though.

Greyskybluesky · 19/11/2025 09:21

Nah, didn't get any of that stream of consciousness... sorry*

*not sorry

Greyskybluesky · 19/11/2025 09:18

RedToothBrush · 19/11/2025 09:17

Babs the taxi driver is interesting too.

It does make me wonder if programmes like LB and League of Gentlemen would get made now

RedToothBrush · 19/11/2025 09:17

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 19/11/2025 08:55

@ZeldaFighter those Little Britain sketches are really interesting. I’m not keen on LB as a whole. Too near the knuckle and cruel- though to everyone even handedly I’d say. I think it’s poking fun AT racism/ableism/fatphobia/homophobia.

However that ‘I’m a Laydee’ is very astute, for the time.

Babs the taxi driver is interesting too.

Howseitgoin · 19/11/2025 09:17

ErrolTheDragon · 19/11/2025 08:29

People having the right to say things is not the right to force everyone everywhere to hear them & that applies universally.

good point. People can say all sorts of stuff and we don’t have to engage with them. It’s a curse of social media that we often forget this.

Anyway… this thread is specifically about the self censorship of women in politics. Which of course doesn’t remotely imply other people don’t self censor - I think most of us are only too well aware of doing so.
It’s a good piece, OP, thanks for posting it. What I’m not sure of is how in practice change can occur?

Nevertheless the point is we are talking about politicians self censoring as in the example I gave of Keir Starmer whom I seriously doubt as a human rights lawyer doesn't understand the human rights principle of self determination & value of identity but disavowed it anyway. So if you'e looking for solutions of what are obviously cynically shrewd political moves to offend the least amount of people possible to get votes I'm afraid you have the wrong profession.

That some pollies maybe GC & hiding it is a function of making a deal with the devil for power rather than censorship. It kinda goes with the democratic territory…

RedToothBrush · 19/11/2025 09:16

Don't forget Natalie Bird and her treatment by the Lib Dems. There's another thread running ATM where at least six posters said they left the party over it's treatment of women. There were even MPs on record saying 'if you don't like it leave the party' which is as anti democratic as it gets. That's not even a forum on the internet. That's participation in politics.

Natalie Bird, was saying that as a survivor she needed male free spaces and that people should be sensitive to this. That's long before the SC ruling and the court cases involved Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre and Sandie and the Darlington nurses and before Isla Bryon.

She wasn't being unreasonable. She just wanted to talk about women and the issues that women have on the basis of sex and she wasn't allowed to.

Because we have to talk about the cat like qualities of whippets.

Greyskybluesky · 19/11/2025 09:15

Do we know if any of the filia vandals have been identified and prosecuted? Has anyone tried?

Exactly what I was wondering @ErrolTheDragon. I haven't seen any update nationally, has there been any news locally - can anyone in Brighton comment on that?

You don’t see football matches cancelled, they proactively have coppers on horseback.

This! Someone made a similar point about LWS events. At one I went to, the police were warned extensively beforehand about what the TRAs would do. They still didn't keep the TRA protestors away from the women. This doesn't happen at other events - football matches, Britain First marches, etc etc.

ErrolTheDragon · 19/11/2025 09:10

Greyskybluesky · 19/11/2025 09:00

Thanks OP, that's a really thought-provoking article.

Where venues are concerned, I understand (but don't agree with) their reluctance to host speakers. Look at Filia - graffiti, windows smashed. My local university has cancelled speakers as they were too "risky". Just as the article says: "watch where the stage literally disappears – where apologies are issued for a guest’s presence, and “security” is the pretext for cancellation."

Let’s stop pretending this is about “safety” or “kindness.” When a woman is told she can’t speak on a stage her constituents paid for, that’s censorship. 👏👏👏

When there’s a known threat public safety and criminal damage (as clearly there is when a venue cancels for these reasons) the police should be policing the event! You don’t see football matches cancelled, they proactively have coppers on horseback. Maybe a sporting event is more important than a political one.Hmm

Do we know if any of the filia vandals have been identified and prosecuted? Has anyone tried?

Greyskybluesky · 19/11/2025 09:00

Thanks OP, that's a really thought-provoking article.

Where venues are concerned, I understand (but don't agree with) their reluctance to host speakers. Look at Filia - graffiti, windows smashed. My local university has cancelled speakers as they were too "risky". Just as the article says: "watch where the stage literally disappears – where apologies are issued for a guest’s presence, and “security” is the pretext for cancellation."

Let’s stop pretending this is about “safety” or “kindness.” When a woman is told she can’t speak on a stage her constituents paid for, that’s censorship. 👏👏👏

ArabellaSaurus · 19/11/2025 08:59

The OP's article is on 'Think Scotland' and in relation to Scotland and politics, written by a Scottish councillor (using AI), discussing Scottish minister/s. Which is why I've focussed on Scottish politics.

I'm sure there are parallels elsewhere, of course.

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 19/11/2025 08:55

@ZeldaFighter those Little Britain sketches are really interesting. I’m not keen on LB as a whole. Too near the knuckle and cruel- though to everyone even handedly I’d say. I think it’s poking fun AT racism/ableism/fatphobia/homophobia.

However that ‘I’m a Laydee’ is very astute, for the time.

ArabellaSaurus · 19/11/2025 08:52

ErrolTheDragon · 19/11/2025 08:45

Rosie Duffield, one of the politicians mentioned, is of course English - but I can’t quite see how the problems she faced at the hustings were directly the fault of the government or opposition at the time? Of course she was horribly let down by her party but in practical terms of how hustings are managed is that more at the level of the party at constituency level?

I meant wrt lacking alternatives to current govt.

ZeldaFighter · 19/11/2025 08:49

FlirtsWithRhinos · 19/11/2025 07:48

@IwantToRetire Again, thank you for sharing such a powerful post about self-censorship, and the chilling effect on women in politics of seeing how gender critical female politicians have been sidelined.

This is such a dishonest movement. It clsims to value honesty and acceptance, yet is too fragile to allow the honest acceptance of female reality or listen to female experience.

It claims to value self knowledge and self identity yet can only exist by denying the self knowledge and self identity of the vast majority of women (original sex based meaning) who know that society does frame us and treat us differently to male people because of our bodies and that this is not something we can identify out of.

There is not a woman (original sex based meaning) here who has not had to decide between stating her truth and risking the witchhunt and staying silent and becoming complicit in our own re-oppression.

Every day we read assertions and statements made casually, thoughtlessly, that demean everything aboit us and how we live, turn the protections that exist for our survival and to give us the space (physical and cultural) to self determine our lives in society into the accessories that allow men to perform their sexist idea of us. Yet if we speak about why thos is wrong we are treated as abherrant, problematic, bad women.

There is a lacuna in public discourse where women are no longer speaking about certain things. Women know it. We feel it. That genderists fail to notice it speaks volumes about how they really see women (original sex based meaning).

I'm university educated and academic myself but many of my close women friends aren't. They will never talk of "chilling discourses" but they know what women are and they know what transvestites are and they do not want transvestites in women's spaces. Most of us are old enough to remember "I'm a lay-dee!" From Little Britain (funny how they've never been cancelled) and think that's exactly what it is.

We know what mothers are and the toll and cost of motherhood. We want to be called mothers because it is recognition of an achievement. We don't want our historical words taken away, and certainly not to please men or deluded women.

So yes, you're right - we all know and feel what's happening, even if we don't all use posh words for it.

Shedmistress · 19/11/2025 08:46

We just need enough people to scream 'Fuck This Shit' and crack on with getting normality [and facts, lets not forget facts] back on the agenda.

I've heard even the NHS are starting to roll back 'pregnant people' to actual 'pregnant women' this morning.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 19/11/2025 08:46

ArabellaSaurus · 19/11/2025 08:10

In response to the OP:

In all honesty, the chilling of speech is a side effect of a pernicious, deletorious, authoritarian administration.

The Scottish Government is that administration. I'm not sure how we go about changing it, tbh, but I think it goes way beyond what the article suggests.

'Ministers should state, in black and white, how the hate-crime regime interacts with political speech and how frivolous complaints will be handled'

I mean, great, but when have ministers ever responded to the people of Scotland? They blatantly don't give a fuck. They don't even pretend anymore.

'Media bookers, arts bodies, universities and councils should recommit to hosting disagreement.'

Sure. But again, fish rot from the head down, and we've been ruled (not served; ruled) by a government that is still currently under investigation for fraud and embezzlement and was likely guilty of far worse.

It isn't just Scotland though.

The mechanisms described by the article have played out everywhere someone has authority to set the terms of engagement.

Universities and academia, the arts, online forums and commentary, left and centrist news outlets, professional bodies and workplaces.

In all these places, women who believe their sex is significant to the challenges and opportunities that they have in life are staying silent about a vast injustice that is being done to us in order to participate at all.

Women are having to choose between maintaining some sort of female voice but with the trade off of implicitly condoning the sexist denial of women's full reality, speaking up once with honesty and for that being denigrated, demonised and denied a voice thereafter, or simply walking away altogether.

I've faced it personally. I walked away.

It was a local activist group for a cause that really mattered to me, but when I was told straight that I could only stay if I never mentioned such heresy (trans women are male) again, I chose to leave.

It was a loss to me but I wasn't prepared for my visible presence as a wonan to be fig leaf that let those men (yes, mostly men) continue to identify as progressive and feminist when the reality was they were controlling what women were allowed to say about our own lives and we were only accepted if we said things they were prepared to hear.

They wanted us there being "equal" and telling the stories of sexism that allowed them to feel smug and superior for not being like those other men, but not telling the stories that challenged their own sexism.

ErrolTheDragon · 19/11/2025 08:45

ArabellaSaurus · 19/11/2025 08:40

Yes. Although there's possibly a similar issue at WM.

Rosie Duffield, one of the politicians mentioned, is of course English - but I can’t quite see how the problems she faced at the hustings were directly the fault of the government or opposition at the time? Of course she was horribly let down by her party but in practical terms of how hustings are managed is that more at the level of the party at constituency level?

CohensDiamondTeeth · 19/11/2025 08:44

KaleidoscopeSmile · 19/11/2025 08:40

I was talking about the content of the posts ta.

I got the wrong end of the stick, sorry! Flowers

ArabellaSaurus · 19/11/2025 08:44

Shedmistress · 19/11/2025 08:42

I don't think any other government will crack this nut. It is endemic and until the whole agenda is seen as the least cool thing since Cliff Richard style Slacks on Sale in the Asdas it will still be underpinning the whole behemoth of corporate and constitutional life.

We are surely way past that point, and well ontae a scabby tarp at the Barras?

Shedmistress · 19/11/2025 08:43

And the Scottish government haven't paid their dues, hoping to bankrupt FWS before they are made to do so.

ArabellaSaurus · 19/11/2025 08:42

I have in mind the current farce of the Scotgov recalcitrance regarding 1. Men in prisons and 2. The SC judgement overall.

Women had to take our own government to fucking COURT to get them to acknowledge our rights - and they still refuse to do the right, legal, honourable, sensible thing.

What nexr?

Shedmistress · 19/11/2025 08:42

ArabellaSaurus · 19/11/2025 08:31

We need rid of the current government.

Unfortunately, there is no viable alternative at the moment.

I don't think any other government will crack this nut. It is endemic and until the whole agenda is seen as the least cool thing since Cliff Richard style Slacks on Sale in the Asdas it will still be underpinning the whole behemoth of corporate and constitutional life.