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It was all a fever dream guys, don't know what you are all on about...<whistles and kicks floor>

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Shedmistress · 15/11/2025 07:58

Stephen Whittle the Ex President of WPATH declares it never happened.

And if it did happen you made it up to make her and her ilk look bad.

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nicepotoftea · 15/11/2025 14:06

ScrollingLeaves · 15/11/2025 13:41

Aren’t puberty-blocker drugs sterilisation?

Not directly if used short term. (The drugs are used to treat a range of conditions and are only used as ‘puberty blockers’ off label.)

They definitely lead to sterilisation if they are used to inhibit development of reproductive organs and then followed with cross sex hormones , and there are no studies on people who have e.g. started taking them at 12 and stopped at 24.

Basically, anyone using the drugs as a puberty blocker is a Guinea pig.

ScrollingLeaves · 15/11/2025 13:41

Lovelyview · 15/11/2025 08:38

In her first statement she doesn't even specify the UK. In subsequent statements she says no child in the uk was sterilised through drugs and surgeries - maybe Susie Green's son being castrated at 16 outside the UK doesn't count in Whittle's selective memory.

Aren’t puberty-blocker drugs sterilisation?

Shedmistress · 15/11/2025 13:34

Tallisker · 15/11/2025 13:01

Can anyone tell us what’s been said for those of us not on TwiX?

She said ''Did anyone in the T community support the sterilisation & surgical procedures on children? No of course not This is just one way of vilifying trans people - to justify your transphobia & hate crime bill others''

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SidewaysOtter · 15/11/2025 13:24

PrettyDamnCosmic · 15/11/2025 12:50

Much of the campaign for puberty blockers to be given to children comes from middle-aged TIMs who say they wish they'd had them as children so that they'd pass better.

Much of the campaign for puberty blockers to be given to children comes from middle-aged TIMs who are PIE adjacent. What better than a pre-pubescent child legally old enough to consent to sex?

That’s the nub of it, isn’t it? PIE never went away, they just bided their time and managed to came back as oppressed victims.

Tallisker · 15/11/2025 13:01

Can anyone tell us what’s been said for those of us not on TwiX?

PrettyDamnCosmic · 15/11/2025 12:50

OldCrone · 15/11/2025 09:02

Much of the campaign for puberty blockers to be given to children comes from middle-aged TIMs who say they wish they'd had them as children so that they'd pass better.

(But not really of course, because they quite like that they've had an active sex life as an adult and fathered children.)

But they still insist that children really should have them.

Much of the campaign for puberty blockers to be given to children comes from middle-aged TIMs who say they wish they'd had them as children so that they'd pass better.

Much of the campaign for puberty blockers to be given to children comes from middle-aged TIMs who are PIE adjacent. What better than a pre-pubescent child legally old enough to consent to sex?

CarefulN0w · 15/11/2025 12:24

I’m looking forward to seeing how others climb down, back peddle or make out they were on the RSOH all along. I’m sure we have a Caitlin Moran book to look forward to very soon.

BundleBoogie · 15/11/2025 11:51

So gender clinics were advising sperm preservation and egg harvesting for shits and giggles, right?

nicepotoftea · 15/11/2025 11:46

Whittle:

"They argue with forked brains - as adults we mustn’t be sterile, but also how dare we have or raise kids"

Who is suggesting that anyone be sterilised? I can't think of anyone representing the 'gender critical' argument who wouldn't say that it is irrelevant as it doesn't change anyone's sex.

Deafnotdumb · 15/11/2025 11:38

The attempts at reverse ferreting are glorious. As are the replies with receipts.

Has the penny dropped there are lawsuits coming in the USA and WPATH will be implicated?

Greyskybluesky · 15/11/2025 11:36

From the Trans Liberation Group's demands:

Legally enshrine the right to transition - where a person has Gillick competence there should be no interference with their transition. This includes trans children, who should not require parental consent to transition.

PictureParfait · 15/11/2025 11:33

Well Prof Whittle thinks she's a man, so I guess her internal congruence is not strong in any dept!

But anyway, like you say OP, ha ha at the backtracking 😆

BonfireLady · 15/11/2025 11:29

Shedmistress · 15/11/2025 07:59

Well, the NHS still supports a sterilisation process that starts in childhood.

From 16, females (who identify as male) can have testosterone on the NHS. They can supplement this with puberty blockers for faster access to sterilisation if they go via Gender GP, but on the NHS they can only access the slower pathway.

Regardless whether it's NHS or private healthcare, the "good news" is that within 5 years, the patient's womb will have atrophied sufficiently that even the gender clinics recommend removing it. Et voila! Sterilisation complete! Although they had to wait until adulthood for the final furlong, it all began its almost inevitable conclusion 2 years before they turned 18.

SwordToFlamethrower · 15/11/2025 10:50

They also said they never meant that you could "literally" change sex...

CarefulN0w · 15/11/2025 10:45

Of course it’s our fault for campaigning wrong. Shades of bananarama again.

MarieDeGournay · 15/11/2025 10:24

As recently as this year Transgender Equality Network Ireland (TENI) were at it.:

Trans charity risked causing harm to children with advice on puberty blockers, Charities Regulator warned
Trans charity risked causing harm to children with advice on puberty blockers, Charities Regulator warned
The Charities Regulator raised concerns that a transgender support charity was potentially causing “harm” to children by publishing unequivocal advice relating to the use of puberty blockers.

Sun 29 Jun 2025
Trans charity risked causing harm to children with advice on puberty blockers, Charities Regulator warned | Irish Independent
It deleted the page.

TENI had a totally disproportionate degree of influence and power in Ireland in the 2010s, leading up to the waving through of the Gender Recognition Act, self-ID etc. in 2015.
They were accepted as the expert advisers on all things gender, deferred to by political, legal, medical, educational etc institutions.
They played a huge role in achieving Ireland's 'progressive' status on trans rights privileges.
They are a good source of basketsful of 'receipts' to help the absentminded Prof Whittle recall what actually happened...

I notice that WPATH has magically disappeared from current discussion of trans health issues. It used to be central, along with the equally influential and equally questionable 'Yogyakarta Principles'.

Fortunately, the internet never forgets.

Instructions · 15/11/2025 09:26

Ah

That didnt happen
And if it did, it wasnt that bad
And if it was, that's not a big deal
And if it is, that's not my fault...

Helleofabore · 15/11/2025 09:20

ArabellaSaurus · 15/11/2025 09:04

I'd have expected to see some blame shifting. Whittle has been so deeply involved, for so long. She will have the ability to implicate a lot of people.

She knows where all the secrets are hidden. Fuck knows how many she hid herself!

Theeyeballsinthesky · 15/11/2025 09:09

lol oh Stephen, do you not know by now? The internet is forever and GC are notorious amongst TRA fur being organised and keeping the receipts

Shedmistress · 15/11/2025 09:06

I'd love to see the emails where she vehemently railed against the removal of any age restrictions that came from Rachel Levine. Come on love, publish them and prove us wrong.

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ArabellaSaurus · 15/11/2025 09:04

Helleofabore · 15/11/2025 08:58

I mean, I think Whittle discrediting herself is noteworthy. Don’t get me wrong, she has allowed and encouraged horrific medical abuse to happen to children and vulnerable people. She has been responsible for so much of the policy that harms women and children.

I wonder if people behind the scenes are going to be able to convince her to retire.

I'd have expected to see some blame shifting. Whittle has been so deeply involved, for so long. She will have the ability to implicate a lot of people.

OldCrone · 15/11/2025 09:02

Much of the campaign for puberty blockers to be given to children comes from middle-aged TIMs who say they wish they'd had them as children so that they'd pass better.

(But not really of course, because they quite like that they've had an active sex life as an adult and fathered children.)

But they still insist that children really should have them.

Helleofabore · 15/11/2025 08:58

I mean, I think Whittle discrediting herself is noteworthy. Don’t get me wrong, she has allowed and encouraged horrific medical abuse to happen to children and vulnerable people. She has been responsible for so much of the policy that harms women and children.

I wonder if people behind the scenes are going to be able to convince her to retire.

Shedmistress · 15/11/2025 08:57

Hopefully Whittle is currently supporting Keira Bell and James Esses to get clarity on the mystery secret Puberty Blocker Trial (LBA yesterday). Thank goodness she is fully on their side!

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