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It was all a fever dream guys, don't know what you are all on about...<whistles and kicks floor>

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Shedmistress · 15/11/2025 07:58

Stephen Whittle the Ex President of WPATH declares it never happened.

And if it did happen you made it up to make her and her ilk look bad.

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ArabellaSaurus · 17/11/2025 11:11

Adding this Whittle posted on the 15th:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1989726357366899142.html

'1. 1971 GnRH agonists (PBs) discovered

1982 first used to lower sex hormones when treating hormone-sensitive cancers eg prostate & breast cancer. Still the most significant use of GnRH agonists

Mid-1980s were trialed to stop precocious puberty in kids age 0 to 11. This …

  1. … is still the 2nd most common use of PBs

1990 Netherlands Utrecht GI clinic first used to pause puberty in trans youth.
TY must be

  • at serious risk of significant self harm.
  • have long term gender incongruence,
  • supportive school, parents, & peers …
  1. 2000 NHS GIDS first prescribes to pause puberty in gender incongruent young people

According to Cass by 2021 GIDS had seen 9000 young people

By 2021, according to evidence submitted o the appeal court in Bell v GIDS, the NHS Prescribed PBs to 8% of the..,

  1. … approximately 9000 patients assessed ie around 700 service an average of 34 each year. Prescribed at an average age of 15 & 3/4yrs for 12 to 18 months max.

If prescribed correctly under strict clinical protocol as developed in Utrecht, PBs can prevent serious …

  1. …, self harming behaviour in a gender incongruent adolescent, allow time for talking therapies, & relieve the child’s stress level helping them to re-engage with family & school

In UK were only used for those with pervasive long term gender incongruence at serious risk. '

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OverlyFragrant · 17/11/2025 11:08

moderate · 17/11/2025 10:41

It didn't happen.
And if it did happen, it didn't happen to children.
And if it did happen to children, it didn't happen to children in the UK.
And if it did happen to children in the UK, they must have come from a part of the UK where they weren't considered children.
And if they did come from a part of the UK where they weren't considered children, they must have travelled to a part of the UK where they weren't considered children.
And so on and so on...

Ultimately thought its the fault of the nasty feminists. Guaranteed.

moderate · 17/11/2025 10:41

Shedmistress · 15/11/2025 07:58

Stephen Whittle the Ex President of WPATH declares it never happened.

And if it did happen you made it up to make her and her ilk look bad.

It didn't happen.
And if it did happen, it didn't happen to children.
And if it did happen to children, it didn't happen to children in the UK.
And if it did happen to children in the UK, they must have come from a part of the UK where they weren't considered children.
And if they did come from a part of the UK where they weren't considered children, they must have travelled to a part of the UK where they weren't considered children.
And so on and so on...

BonfireLady · 16/11/2025 12:12

BonfireLady · 16/11/2025 11:36

if a girl/woman who has started her periods takes them for more than 6 months it can permanently put her in menopause, this fact is acknowledged in the leaflet that comes with them when given to women with endometriosis and is why there's a 6 month max limit on prescribing them for it.

Thank you for sharing this. I knew that the combination of PBs and cross-sex hormones led to sterilisation (hence referring to that being the faster pathway to it in my comment above) but I didn't know about this 6 month threshold.

So thinking back to my earlier comment, if a female (who identifies as a boy) goes to Gender GP, at 16 it's possible to receive cross-sex hormones plus PBs. Given it would be highly unusual not to have already started periods by this point, I think it's fair to assume that anyone following this pathway will be sterile within 6 months i.e. while still a child. So to Stephen's point.... Yes, Gender GP is currently advocating this. However, as per my previous comment, any 16 year old on the NHS route (i.e. without PBs) will need to wait ~5 years for the womb atrophy and associated sterility to kick-in from the testosterone alone.

Obviously I'm just thinking about right now, rather than historical stuff.

Given Stephen is trying to convince us that nobody ever supported this, it's great to see such a damning Community Note being slapped on. What better source document could there be than then WPATH information itself. Yes, Stephen our healthcare industry has been supporting this worldwide for years. And that's before you get a president of a charity taking her child for an orchidectomy.

What does Stephen think is the logical consequence of all this if it's not sterility? Enhanced fertility? Human evolution to mimic the way that amoebae reproduce? FFS.

BonfireLady · 16/11/2025 11:36

Hoardasurass · 16/11/2025 09:17

Yes they are.
In males when given at tanner stages 1&2 they prevent the penis and testies from developing hence Jordan gray and others like him and complaints from marci bowers and others about the lack of material for vaginalplastis.
In females it also prevents pubital development but if a girl/woman who has started her periods takes them for more than 6 months it can permanently put her in menopause, this fact is acknowledged in the leaflet that comes with them when given to women with endometriosis and is why there's a 6 month max limit on prescribing them for it. Y
et these drugs are still called safe and temporary for long-term use in children.
Oh yes dont forget the brain damage that they cause by preventing the natural brain development that occurs in puberty

if a girl/woman who has started her periods takes them for more than 6 months it can permanently put her in menopause, this fact is acknowledged in the leaflet that comes with them when given to women with endometriosis and is why there's a 6 month max limit on prescribing them for it.

Thank you for sharing this. I knew that the combination of PBs and cross-sex hormones led to sterilisation (hence referring to that being the faster pathway to it in my comment above) but I didn't know about this 6 month threshold.

So thinking back to my earlier comment, if a female (who identifies as a boy) goes to Gender GP, at 16 it's possible to receive cross-sex hormones plus PBs. Given it would be highly unusual not to have already started periods by this point, I think it's fair to assume that anyone following this pathway will be sterile within 6 months i.e. while still a child. So to Stephen's point.... Yes, Gender GP is currently advocating this. However, as per my previous comment, any 16 year old on the NHS route (i.e. without PBs) will need to wait ~5 years for the womb atrophy and associated sterility to kick-in from the testosterone alone.

BundleBoogie · 16/11/2025 09:50

She’s also done another thread to confirm that children were indeed given puberty blockers for 12-18 months which if followed by x sex hormones as most were, means that the kids have been sterilised. Her wilful lack of dot joining is bizarre.

By 2021, according to evidence submitted o the appeal court in Bell v GIDS, the NHS Prescribed PBs to 8% of the approximately 9000 patients assessed ie around 700 service an average of 34 each year. Prescribed at an average age of 15 & 3/4yrs for 12 to 18 months max.
It prescribed correctly under strict clinical protocol as developed in Utrecht, PBs can prevent serious self harming behaviour in a gender incongruent adolescent, allow time for talking therapies, & relieve the child's stress level helping them to re-engage with family & school

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 16/11/2025 09:48

BundleBoogie · 16/11/2025 09:38

Good point. She may not be advocating explicitly for sterilisation but she has advocated for steps to be taken that inevitably lead to sterilisation.

Maybe the long term cross sex hormones have inhibited her reasoning ability?

Dementia is seen more frequently in trans people who have been on cross-sex hormones long-term. More than one person on X has flagged an apparent decrease in mental acuity in the professor.

Side note, something else that is not uncommon in trans people who have taken cross-sex hormones and go on to develop dementia is dementia-induced detransition - that is, the person forgets they transitioned (with all the accompanying body-horror that might ensue if surgery etc has taken place). At least one NHS trust goes against all recommended best practice for dementia by insisting that staff attending such patients should make sure that family who may wish to “take advantage” of this detransition to encourage the patient to think of themselves as their actual sex (ie, to go along with what the dementia patient thinks, which is recommended practice) are kept well away from the patient.

BundleBoogie · 16/11/2025 09:38

FlirtsWithRhinos · 16/11/2025 09:26

I don't post on X, but I do hope someone asks Whittle whether her comments mean she thinks the ideal outcome for a child who starts on PBs is that they reconcile quickly with their physical sex and continue natural puberty.

Because if not, she seems to be advocaing for exactly the sterilisation she claims noone is advocating.

Failure on her part to join the dots is not proof that the dots do not jpin.

Edited

Good point. She may not be advocating explicitly for sterilisation but she has advocated for steps to be taken that inevitably lead to sterilisation.

Maybe the long term cross sex hormones have inhibited her reasoning ability?

FlirtsWithRhinos · 16/11/2025 09:26

Lovelyview · 15/11/2025 15:09

Not on their own if they're given for a short time but the Cass review identified that once they were on the 'trans' pathway children would usually go on to take cross sex hormones and have surgery. Even cross sex hormones don't always sterilise people but they can reduce fertility. Puberty blockers can stop sex organs developing fully if children are started on them early and use them to prevent any puberty happening. There is also evidence that puberty blockers prevent the brain development that usually takes place during adolescence and affect bone strength.

I don't post on X, but I do hope someone asks Whittle whether her comments mean she thinks the ideal outcome for a child who starts on PBs is that they reconcile quickly with their physical sex and continue natural puberty.

Because if not, she seems to be advocaing for exactly the sterilisation she claims noone is advocating.

Failure on her part to join the dots is not proof that the dots do not jpin.

Instructions · 16/11/2025 09:24

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Hoardasurass · 16/11/2025 09:17

ScrollingLeaves · 15/11/2025 13:41

Aren’t puberty-blocker drugs sterilisation?

Yes they are.
In males when given at tanner stages 1&2 they prevent the penis and testies from developing hence Jordan gray and others like him and complaints from marci bowers and others about the lack of material for vaginalplastis.
In females it also prevents pubital development but if a girl/woman who has started her periods takes them for more than 6 months it can permanently put her in menopause, this fact is acknowledged in the leaflet that comes with them when given to women with endometriosis and is why there's a 6 month max limit on prescribing them for it. Y
et these drugs are still called safe and temporary for long-term use in children.
Oh yes dont forget the brain damage that they cause by preventing the natural brain development that occurs in puberty

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 16/11/2025 09:12

Apologies for the link, (page that it links to is covered in pop ups) but does in fact go to one of Jennifer Bilek’s articles on Martine Rothblatt and Whittle’s early involvement with him:

https://uncommongroundmedia.com/martine-rothblatt-a-founding-father-of-the-transgender-empire/

A snippet:

At the heart of the emerging “Gender Identity” industry is a man in a dress, donning women’s breasts with the confidence only a man could acquire after a lifetime of being a first class citizen. Martine Rothblatt, born in 1954 is an exceedingly accomplished entrepreneur and lawyer. As the founder of United Theraputics, he was the top earning CEO in the biopharmaceutical industry. He identifies as a transsexual and transhumanist and has written extensively on the connections between the two. Rothblatt believes that human sexual dimorphism is tantamount to South African apartheid and that transgenderism is an onramp to transhumanism – which is for him an exercise in overcoming “fleshism.”

As a member of the International Conference on Transgender Law and Employment Policy (ICTLEP) since 1992, Rothblatt authored the first draft of the Transexual and Transgender Health Law Reports, after meeting Phyllis Frye, another transsexual lawyer, in Texas. This small meeting of men with a penchant for wearing women’s undergarments was the launch pad for an international project to drive transsexualism globally and deconstruct human sexual dimorphism. The document Rothblatt drafted would later be referred to as the International Bill of Gender Rights (IBGR). Phyllis Frye has been referred to as the “grandmother of the transgender movement.” Though Rothblatt’s transhumanist preoccupations may garner him more attention, we must consider him as much of an influence in normalizing transsexualism (transgenderism before it was rebranded), as Frye, if not more. A history of their meeting and subsequent growth of the transgender project in the culture, can be found here.

The Conference of Transexual and Transgender Law and Employment Policy became an international project once Frye was contacted by a transsexual identifying female in the UK named Stephen Whittle, now a professor of equalities law at Manchester Metropolitan University and president-elect of the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) which has since developed an American branch (USPATH). Whittle too has been extremely instrumental in driving trans activism, especially in the UK. She became part of the human rights experts team, who elaborated on the international human rights guidelines, the Yogyakarta Principles at Gadjah Mada University in Yogyakarta, Indonesia in November 2006. The meeting added SOGI (Sexual Orientation Gender Identity) principles to the YP, known as Plus 10. Used as international legal guidelines, they are not actually law but are being treated as such by LGBT NGOs fronting for the medical industrial complex, with an investment in future medical-tech identities. The “Gender experts” are self-manufactured professions, much like the mythology of “gender identity” itself.

Home - WPATH

https://wpath.org/

BundleBoogie · 16/11/2025 09:00

SidewaysOtter · 15/11/2025 22:59

Jesus. This shit goes THAT far back?!

If I understand your comment correctly - back to the 90s really with all the preamble to the GRA in 2004. And all the issues raised as concerns in the GRA debate have come to pass.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 16/11/2025 08:51

SidewaysOtter · 15/11/2025 22:59

Jesus. This shit goes THAT far back?!

Yogyakarta was 2006. According to Roisin Michaux, IGLYO (the group that ended up commissioning the Denton’s playbook) were also making noises about this around the early 2000s.

peaked.substack.com/p/the-plot-to-redefine-conversion-therapy

peaked.substack.com/p/the-first-rule-of-queer-club

SidewaysOtter · 15/11/2025 22:59

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 15/11/2025 17:35

Should add: this was in 2007-2008.

Jesus. This shit goes THAT far back?!

Haulage · 15/11/2025 19:45

For all those not on Twitter: https://nitter.poast.org/stephenwhittle/status/1988978205546693010#m

AMansAManForAllThat · 15/11/2025 18:54

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 15/11/2025 17:55

Well, there’s this:

🤣😁

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 15/11/2025 17:55

AMansAManForAllThat · 15/11/2025 17:39

Is Whittle attempting to defend herself? I’m not on Twix.

Well, there’s this:

It was all a fever dream guys, don't know what you are all on about...<whistles and kicks floor>
AMansAManForAllThat · 15/11/2025 17:39

Is Whittle attempting to defend herself? I’m not on Twix.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 15/11/2025 17:35

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 15/11/2025 17:26

Wittle / Press for Change were heavily involved in the Dept of Health guidance on transgender issues that led to the push for NHS policies to “go beyond the law”.

Should add: this was in 2007-2008.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 15/11/2025 17:26

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 15/11/2025 17:22

... Stephen Whittle, who co-founded Press For Change, without which I doubt any of the medicalisation would have happened so unopposed in the UK.

Wittle / Press for Change were heavily involved in the Dept of Health guidance on transgender issues that led to the push for NHS policies to “go beyond the law”.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 15/11/2025 17:22

... Stephen Whittle, who co-founded Press For Change, without which I doubt any of the medicalisation would have happened so unopposed in the UK.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/11/2025 16:17

ArabellaSaurus · 15/11/2025 08:30

Also; this is a woman who thinks she is a man. People suffering from delusion are deluded.

i was going to say, I think expecting consistency and a well balanced take from people like Whittle is an unreasonable expectation.

Mollyollydolly · 15/11/2025 15:12

Ahh this is good. We've already reached the 'it never happened stage.' Things are moving fast now.

Lovelyview · 15/11/2025 15:09

ScrollingLeaves · 15/11/2025 13:41

Aren’t puberty-blocker drugs sterilisation?

Not on their own if they're given for a short time but the Cass review identified that once they were on the 'trans' pathway children would usually go on to take cross sex hormones and have surgery. Even cross sex hormones don't always sterilise people but they can reduce fertility. Puberty blockers can stop sex organs developing fully if children are started on them early and use them to prevent any puberty happening. There is also evidence that puberty blockers prevent the brain development that usually takes place during adolescence and affect bone strength.