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It was all a fever dream guys, don't know what you are all on about...<whistles and kicks floor>

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Shedmistress · 15/11/2025 07:58

Stephen Whittle the Ex President of WPATH declares it never happened.

And if it did happen you made it up to make her and her ilk look bad.

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CarefulN0w · 17/11/2025 22:09

Older TGD people are also reported to be at an increased risk of dementia, which is partly due to high incidences of dementia-associated risk factors. The epidemiology and experiences of older TGD people living with dementia are largely unknown due to limited research.

I can’t help thinking that there might be some parts of the GI and TG communities that doesn’t want to admit that being trans isn’t all about glitter and living your best life. The lifestyle choices that increase the risks of early onset dementia paint a different, and sadder picture. Yet another reason not to lie to vulnerable people.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 17/11/2025 21:50

Wrt the possible increase in dementia:

I’m aware that studies have shown that children on puberty blockers have somewhat decreased cognitive abilities. Studies have also shown that cross sex hormone use can decrease mental
acuity. And there are clearly enough documented incidents of dementia-induced detransition that its possibility was flagged in NHS policy. But I am also aware that most of these studies are limited and small in nature, at least partly because the trans community have fought aggressively against having studies carried out - as evidenced by the lack of follow-up on patients at the Tavistock, and the squashing of the Olsen-Kennedy study in the US, amongst many others.

So, no, correlation is not causation. But there is enough suggestive evidence that anyone with any sense should at least be asking questions.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 17/11/2025 21:13

moderate · 17/11/2025 10:41

It didn't happen.
And if it did happen, it didn't happen to children.
And if it did happen to children, it didn't happen to children in the UK.
And if it did happen to children in the UK, they must have come from a part of the UK where they weren't considered children.
And if they did come from a part of the UK where they weren't considered children, they must have travelled to a part of the UK where they weren't considered children.
And so on and so on...

And a bunch of middleaged women made us do it, anyhow.

PictureParfait · 17/11/2025 21:03

ArabellaSaurus · 17/11/2025 20:25

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/26895269.2024.2355232#abstract

'Older TGD people are also reported to be at an increased risk of dementia, which is partly due to high incidences of dementia-associated risk factors.

Older TGD people are also reported to be at an increased risk of dementia, which is partly due to high incidences of dementia-associated risk factors. The epidemiology and experiences of older TGD people living with dementia are largely unknown due to limited research.

I mean, make your mind up (pun intended).

PictureParfait · 17/11/2025 20:56

Also, if you want to start implying correlation, this bit might not be so comfortable for women on HRT:

Multiple studies have reported links between hormone therapy and dementia risk although a clear picture is yet to emerge from these studies, and so far this research has largely not involved transgender participants.

PictureParfait · 17/11/2025 20:49

ArabellaSaurus · 17/11/2025 20:24

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11837915/

'transgender women had lower cognitive functioning than cisgender groups, which was largely explained by mental/social health'

https://www.alzheimersresearchuk.org/news/study-suggests-memory-and-thinking-decline-in-transgender-adults/

'They found nearly one in six transgender adults report experience problems with cognition, compared to 1 in 10 cisgender adults.

So, I'm as GC as they come. But I decided to look into one of those links.

I mean, this is nonsense, right? Totally unreliable nonsense:

Researchers looked at data collected in a large annual health behaviour survey. They used this to examine self-reported problems with cognition.

They found nearly one in six transgender adults report experience problems with cognition, compared to 1 in 10 cisgender adults.

I had family members with dementia. None of them would have reported any problems with cognition at all.

Aside from all the other obvious problems with "self reporting". It could be that trans people were more used to engaging with mental health or medical specialists.

https://www.alzheimersresearchuk.org/news/study-suggests-memory-and-thinking-decline-in-transgender-adults/

Study suggests memory and thinking decline in transgender adults - Alzheimer's Research UK

Research presented #AAIC21 suggests transgender adults are more likely to report experience of worsening memory or thinking.

https://www.alzheimersresearchuk.org/news/study-suggests-memory-and-thinking-decline-in-transgender-adults/

OldCrone · 17/11/2025 20:47

ArabellaSaurus · 17/11/2025 11:11

Adding this Whittle posted on the 15th:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1989726357366899142.html

'1. 1971 GnRH agonists (PBs) discovered

1982 first used to lower sex hormones when treating hormone-sensitive cancers eg prostate & breast cancer. Still the most significant use of GnRH agonists

Mid-1980s were trialed to stop precocious puberty in kids age 0 to 11. This …

  1. … is still the 2nd most common use of PBs

1990 Netherlands Utrecht GI clinic first used to pause puberty in trans youth.
TY must be

  • at serious risk of significant self harm.
  • have long term gender incongruence,
  • supportive school, parents, & peers …
  1. 2000 NHS GIDS first prescribes to pause puberty in gender incongruent young people

According to Cass by 2021 GIDS had seen 9000 young people

By 2021, according to evidence submitted o the appeal court in Bell v GIDS, the NHS Prescribed PBs to 8% of the..,

  1. … approximately 9000 patients assessed ie around 700 service an average of 34 each year. Prescribed at an average age of 15 & 3/4yrs for 12 to 18 months max.

If prescribed correctly under strict clinical protocol as developed in Utrecht, PBs can prevent serious …

  1. …, self harming behaviour in a gender incongruent adolescent, allow time for talking therapies, & relieve the child’s stress level helping them to re-engage with family & school

In UK were only used for those with pervasive long term gender incongruence at serious risk. '

Mid-1980s were trialed to stop precocious puberty in kids age 0 to 11.

Whittle seems not to have done the most basic fact checking before making this statement.

Precocious puberty is when puberty begins before the age of 8 in girls or 9 in boys. No child above these ages would be treated for precocious puberty.

BundleBoogie · 17/11/2025 20:44

PictureParfait · 17/11/2025 20:39

Or maybe being mentally ill has an effect. Because to think you are the opposite sex, presupposes that you are mentally ill.

But, again, correlation does not imply causation.

True. Or both.

PictureParfait · 17/11/2025 20:39

BundleBoogie · 17/11/2025 20:36

Indeed it doesn’t and it may be just a wild coincidence but equally it could be that interfering with your endocrine system and creating a massive hormone imbalance lasting for years has a negative effect on cognitive function?

Or maybe being mentally ill has an effect. Because to think you are the opposite sex, presupposes that you are mentally ill.

But, again, correlation does not imply causation.

BundleBoogie · 17/11/2025 20:36

PictureParfait · 17/11/2025 20:25

Correlation does not equal causation.

Indeed it doesn’t and it may be just a wild coincidence but equally it could be that interfering with your endocrine system and creating a massive hormone imbalance lasting for years has a negative effect on cognitive function?

ArabellaSaurus · 17/11/2025 20:35

PictureParfait · 17/11/2025 20:25

Correlation does not equal causation.

I'm just sharing a few studies found by googling. I didn't make any assertions.

mzdemeanour · 17/11/2025 20:31

I’m sure I saw something by Elaine Miller on TG people with dementia forgetting they had transitioned and suffering huge distress @venusenvyxxcan you help?

PictureParfait · 17/11/2025 20:25

ArabellaSaurus · 17/11/2025 20:24

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11837915/

'transgender women had lower cognitive functioning than cisgender groups, which was largely explained by mental/social health'

https://www.alzheimersresearchuk.org/news/study-suggests-memory-and-thinking-decline-in-transgender-adults/

'They found nearly one in six transgender adults report experience problems with cognition, compared to 1 in 10 cisgender adults.

Correlation does not equal causation.

ArabellaSaurus · 17/11/2025 20:25

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/26895269.2024.2355232#abstract

'Older TGD people are also reported to be at an increased risk of dementia, which is partly due to high incidences of dementia-associated risk factors.

ArabellaSaurus · 17/11/2025 20:24

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11837915/

'transgender women had lower cognitive functioning than cisgender groups, which was largely explained by mental/social health'

https://www.alzheimersresearchuk.org/news/study-suggests-memory-and-thinking-decline-in-transgender-adults/

'They found nearly one in six transgender adults report experience problems with cognition, compared to 1 in 10 cisgender adults.

MarvellousMonsters · 17/11/2025 16:52

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 17/11/2025 16:51

I don’t know much more than I’ve written - it was flagged in the NHS audit and stuck with me.

Ok, thanks. It’s very interesting, and probably needs to be talked about more, along with the other negative side effects of cross-sex hormone use.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 17/11/2025 16:51

MarvellousMonsters · 17/11/2025 16:27

Is this early onset dementia? Are there really that many ‘elderly’ transsexuals, or are we talking about 50/60 yr old transsexuals who’ve had surgery/hormone treatment?

I don’t know much more than I’ve written - it was flagged in the NHS audit and stuck with me.

MarvellousMonsters · 17/11/2025 16:27

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 16/11/2025 09:48

Dementia is seen more frequently in trans people who have been on cross-sex hormones long-term. More than one person on X has flagged an apparent decrease in mental acuity in the professor.

Side note, something else that is not uncommon in trans people who have taken cross-sex hormones and go on to develop dementia is dementia-induced detransition - that is, the person forgets they transitioned (with all the accompanying body-horror that might ensue if surgery etc has taken place). At least one NHS trust goes against all recommended best practice for dementia by insisting that staff attending such patients should make sure that family who may wish to “take advantage” of this detransition to encourage the patient to think of themselves as their actual sex (ie, to go along with what the dementia patient thinks, which is recommended practice) are kept well away from the patient.

Is this early onset dementia? Are there really that many ‘elderly’ transsexuals, or are we talking about 50/60 yr old transsexuals who’ve had surgery/hormone treatment?

PictureParfait · 17/11/2025 14:50

EmpressaurusKitty · 17/11/2025 12:13

Does anyone else remember that series Butterfly that was on a few years ago, with Anna Friel as the mum of a trans identifying 11 year old boy? The happy ending was him getting puberty blockers.

It hasn’t aged well.

I remember that, although I didn't watch it. Thank goodness, times have changed. And continue to change, hopefully.

EmpressaurusKitty · 17/11/2025 12:13

Does anyone else remember that series Butterfly that was on a few years ago, with Anna Friel as the mum of a trans identifying 11 year old boy? The happy ending was him getting puberty blockers.

It hasn’t aged well.

Swallowdoubleandrunamile · 17/11/2025 12:01

PrettyDamnCosmic · 15/11/2025 12:50

Much of the campaign for puberty blockers to be given to children comes from middle-aged TIMs who say they wish they'd had them as children so that they'd pass better.

Much of the campaign for puberty blockers to be given to children comes from middle-aged TIMs who are PIE adjacent. What better than a pre-pubescent child legally old enough to consent to sex?

Exactly this, over and over again. Paedophile.

Helleofabore · 17/11/2025 11:45

Cross posted with MarieDeGournay.

Helleofabore · 17/11/2025 11:44

Well Webberly just said on the GB News interview that PB’s means a better sex life. Because the patient is alive, and feels better about themselves. So apparently that means they have better sex… and yet if they are lacking the ability to orgasm, where does that lead them?

There really is so much dismissal around these drugs. A group of adults are working really very hard to minimise the discussions about the harms of puberty blockers.

And pfft… 12 to 18 months max? Doesn’t the research indicate that 6 months is the maximum recommended?

MarieDeGournay · 17/11/2025 11:40

Hoardasurass In females it also prevents pubital development but if a girl/woman who has started her periods takes them for more than 6 months it can permanently put her in menopause.

It's worth remembering that for a variety of reasons puberty is starting earlier and earlier, so most girls will fall into the category described above.
Which means that all the 'benefits' of PBs acc to Prof Whittle:
If prescribed correctly under strict clinical protocol as developed in Utrecht, PBs can prevent serious …

  1. …, self harming behaviour in a gender incongruent adolescent, allow time for talking therapies, & relieve the child’s stress level helping them to re-engage with family & school
only have 6 months to take effect.

Surely it's going to take more than 6 months for 'talking therapies, & relieve the child’s stress level helping them to re-engage with family & school'
to help a child so profoundly alienated from her own body that she thinks she is a boy? And as likely as not has other issues as well?

So what happens to a gender-confused girl after her 6 months on PBs? her body goes back to being female [I know it always was, but from her point of view..] and she is fine about it after all the talking therapies, or she continues taking the PBs and risks early menopause and sterility?

ArabellaSaurus · 17/11/2025 11:13

So what she's saying is that infertility is just an unfortunate side effect of the blockers she advocates prescribing.

'it hardly ever happened'
'it wasn't the intention'

Omits to mention cross sex hormones or surgery, I note. Which as I posted above, have both been prescribed for/given to children. In the UK.