It was all a fever dream guys, don't know what you are all on about...<whistles and kicks floor>

It is unbelievable that this will to whisper two year olds and children in general towards being trans is still alive and busily at work. It is so shocking. He has no idea of the findings of various reports especially Cass.

It is also a lie he is spinning that all gender questioning young people or even older people felt that way all their lives.

Bloody hell 😱

I wonder if Primark does a chain mail range of PJs. Or perhaps a pair with a chastity belt built in.

Oops Benjamin Butter slipped up there. He stated that a two year old has no concept of ‘either of those two things’ (referring to having a baby and being a girl) which contradicted his earlier proposition and so he came out with a flailing attack.

“No two year old has any concept of sex or gender” - Exactly. But how very ‘transphobic’ Butters, the truth has a way of slipping out when you least expect it.

The narrative is, I believe, that people can be 'trans' from conception. I'm pretty sure I heard Webberly say that. Will need to check.

No sturdy pyjamas there 🙄

Two things spring to mind in Whittle's case.

Hating being female and hating females seem fairly closely connected.

Misogyny is so common among men that adopting it would be an excellent form of performative masculinity.

She seems to hate female people as much as Webberley does.

She seems to hate female people as much as Webberley does.

Oh my goodness!! TWO!!

I am lost for words.

She needs to understand that it is not healthcare and there are no ‘trans’ two year olds - that is shocking.

Whatever could go wrong?

I see the NHS are still signposting to 'naked weekends'.

https://indigogenderservice.uk/further-information-and-support/additional-support/trans-non-binary-support

https://www.transbareall.co.uk/weekends

FOI here shares evaluations of three gender clinics, but maybe worth a different thread.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/pilotgenderclinicevaluationr

Can't find any mention of Whittle (or anyone, for that matter) on the NHS Indigo Services webpage.

https://indigogenderservice.uk/search?search_paths%5B%5D=&query=whittle

https://transactual.org.uk/nhse-adult-service-review/

'Expected in January – March 2025:

Report into the responses to the survey.
Reports on each of the NHS England gender clinics
An overall report of the findings of the independent review into the clinics.
Review of the evidence around hormone therapy for trans people.

Later in 2025:

Consultation a draft version of the updated non-surgical service specification.
Publication of the updated non-surgical service specification.
Consultation on a new national policy on masculinising and feminising hormones.
Publication of the national policy on masculinising and feminising hormones.

There has also been a lot of talk about an 18-25s ‘follow through’ gender service. We are seeking clarity on what this will be and who it will be for.'

It's all gone very quiet on the Levy Review front.

https://translucent.org.uk/welcome-to-translucent-stephen-whittle

'From 2014-2018 Stephen served on NHS England’s Gender Identity Services Clinical Strategic Commissioning Group for the Department of Health. He is now Chair and Non-Executive Director of Indigo, Greater Manchester’s NHS Transgender Health service.

Article from two years ago.

As I said above, Whittle and Press for Change were heavily involved in the NHS trans-related policies that came out under cover of darkness in 2007-ish. Inquiring minds would like to know how this happened.

There are plenty of people out there with very strange, misguided beliefs. The crucial thing is why the government and NHS supported these beliefs and listened to these people when making law and policy.

And we keep receipts. We didn’t have the quote function back in 2018, so standard procedure was to copy the comment you were replying to & bold it. The bolded comment is from another MNer. Whittle’s reply is from Really? onwards.

Whittle also is upfront in stating how much sex she used to have at Scout camps where she (was she a GG?) would have sex with different scouts at the camp. I do wonder about that and what that might have been an indicator of.

WHAT?

Whittle is also remembered for suggesting on an MN thread that if Girl Guides / Guide officers on camp were wary of sharing sleeping space with males, they could protect themselves by wearing sturdy pyjamas.

Whittle thinks that cutting her breasts off and growing a beard means she is a man, so very much lacking in ability to tell the difference between make believe and reality.

It's nuts. Imagination needs no boundaries. Imagination is free and unfettered. Real life, meanwhile, has boundaries, and part of those are learning to discern what is real life and what is imagination.

Whittle definitely seems to lack the ability to tell the difference.

boundaries that do not destroy their imagination

I'm finding this hilarious... is it a tacit acknowledgment that "what sex they think they are" is based in the imagination?

What if they imagined that the boiling kettle was full of magic sparkles that should be sprinkled all over them? I'm really happy to destroy that aspect of their imagination.

I know it's a breathtakingly stupid comment anyway but still made me chuckle.