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Have Police and Crime Commissioners been good for women? Will we miss them when they are gone?

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IwantToRetire · 13/11/2025 18:22

Police and crime commissioners (PCC) are to be scrapped in England and Wales to save £100m over this parliament's term, the government has said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93d4dd3l3lo

APCC Chair responds to announcement of the abolition of Police and Crime Commissioners
https://www.apccs.police.uk/apcc-chair-responds-to-announcement-of-the-abolition-of-police-and-crime-commissioners/

A female police officer wearing a hat and uniform faces away from the camera. Her uniform reads: HEDDLU POLICE

Police and crime commissioners to be scrapped in England and Wales

The government says it will save £100m over this Parliament and less than 20% of voters can name their PCC.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93d4dd3l3lo

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EmeraldRoulette · 15/11/2025 01:43

As far as I can see, this is good news

In my area They made a big thing about studying impact of domestic violence, which puzzled me

Ultimately, they produced a report from the no shit Sherlock studies, saying that all the women they interviewed were suffering with ongoing mental health problems

And we paid for that! I know somebody who did some other consultancy work for them and it just seemed like a massive gravy train - or yet another carriage on the one we already have.

IwantToRetire · 15/11/2025 00:37

“While we acknowledge the government’s wider plans for the reorganisation of local government , we would like to express our hope that the specialist knowledge of some Police and Crime Commissioners (PCCs), especially when it comes to their understanding of domestic abuse and wider forms of violence against women and girls (VAWG), is not lost.

“Sadly, trust in police and the justice system is critically low, and survivors need confidence that their complaints will continue to be taken seriously and that there will be clear accountability for improving police performance. We are also worried that this change could place additional pressure on local authorities, increasing the risk of rushed or poorly informed commissioning decisions – with the greatest cost borne by survivors themselves.

“We therefore hope that in the transition process, there will remain dedicated individuals responsible for delivering the government’s ambitious goal of halving VAWG within a decade. We are also keen to understand how this decision will be reflected in the VAWG Strategy, given that a significant proportion of domestic abuse and wider VAWG provision is currently commissioned through Police and Crime Commissioners.”

Women's Aid Federation England https://womensaid.org.uk/womens-aid-responds-to-government-announcement-to-scrap-police-and-crime-commissioner-roles/

Women's Aid responds to government announcement to scrap Police and Crime Commissioner roles - Women’s Aid

Women's Aid responds to government announcement to scrap Police and Crime Commissioner roles

https://womensaid.org.uk/womens-aid-responds-to-government-announcement-to-scrap-police-and-crime-commissioner-roles/

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IwantToRetire · 14/11/2025 16:30

I think in theory an independent over sight group is a good idea.

But as always it comes down to who gets appointed, and the level of cronyism.

But the idea that local Mayors, let alone local councils where there is no Mayor, will do a better job is laughable.

Just look at London with the Met and Khan.

How has that worked out.

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Contemporaneouslyagog · 14/11/2025 16:18

She also stood up to the then MP Crispin Blunt who tried to get her out , when she was raising concerns about Surrey pride

anyolddinosaur · 14/11/2025 16:13

Was anything changed by Lisa Townesend?

ThePoshUns · 14/11/2025 10:16

Contemporaneouslyagog · 14/11/2025 09:53

Lisa Townsend Tory Surrey PCC, has been brilliant for women's rights,

Yes she has been good, wasn’t it her that challenged Surrey pride and raised her concerns with both the chief Constable and head of Surrey social services?

TheCurious0range · 14/11/2025 09:58

Ours has actually been good, funding we've never had before for the vawg strategy, stalking panels established for pre and post conviction, funding available for women's only services etc. A women's services board to co-ordinate partnership working. Safer urban design supported by the fire brigade, pilots of women's charters in some of the CSPs. A new women's centre etc all week supported financially by the pfcc, and he's a man and he's a Tory!! His dep is a woman and he's wise enough to listen to women with expertise. I can see how it could be very hit and miss though.

Contemporaneouslyagog · 14/11/2025 09:53

Lisa Townsend Tory Surrey PCC, has been brilliant for women's rights,

anyolddinosaur · 14/11/2025 09:51

I've contacted PCCs over womens rights. They were supposed to hold the police to account and zero evidence that they have ever done a thing. Total waste of money as far as I can tell.

If anyone knows of anything useful any of them have ever done please speak out.

Now when can we see the waste of money on trans everything being reduced?

ThePoshUns · 14/11/2025 07:27

the Gwent PCC is Jane Mudd, she has done nothing for women or anyone. The office of PCC is one big gravy train. This a good move by govt to get rid. The previous ( unpaid) police authorities did a far better job.

JennyForeigner · 14/11/2025 07:12

Our inaugural PCC was married to the Tory MP, and was promptly arrested for multiple speeding offences of the fuck you plebs kind. It's been hard to get on board.

mellongoose · 14/11/2025 07:09

PCCs were originally intended to be a ‘sheriff’ type role but as is always the way with Parliament it was watered down to please more people. They were to replace the Police Councils and ensure elected accountability for local forces.

Ours has been brilliant on modern slavery and VAWG. (Devon & Cornwall).

Im not even sure if we are getting a mayor yet so not sure how it will work here.

MayaPinion · 14/11/2025 06:07

I don’t think many people will be sad to see them go. Their impact has been minimal. They certainly haven’t captured the hearts and minds of the electorate.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 14/11/2025 06:02

IwantToRetire · 13/11/2025 18:38

AI says there was one:

Alison Townsend, the Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC) for Gwent in Wales, is a notable example of a police commissioner who has publicly and actively supported women's sex-based rights.

I got my hopes up there, a Public Servant, a woman, in Wales standing up for women, but no it was a mistake, no such thing in Wales. 🤬

ApplebyArrows · 13/11/2025 21:59

They were never anything more than a cunning trick by the Conservative to create more well-paid politician jobs, hence more money for the political class.

I suppose some women must have benefited: the ones who were PCCs themselves. Though where I am we've always had men, I'm not even sure if any women have ever even been on the ballot.

IwantToRetire · 13/11/2025 21:28

My concern was more that this decision police will be answerable to Mayors or local councils.

These are all too often under the control of one political party or the other, and then decisions, critical oversight, etc., then become party political.

And suspect if there is funding, little of it will go to women.

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IwantToRetire · 13/11/2025 21:26

KnutsfordCityLimits · 13/11/2025 20:12

Ours has grant schemes that fund women’s organisations around violence against women, and has undertaken partnership work to improve public sector services for women, but it just depends whether these will now be taken up by the new authority. It could just be one of many things that the local authority has to do and might get lost in everything else, especially in areas that are going through local government reorganisation and will be doing a lot of internal reshuffling.

I had thought this had been one of the benefits. That funding had been directly given to women's organisations.

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IwantToRetire · 13/11/2025 21:25

sugarland24 · 13/11/2025 20:24

This is wrong, there has never been a Gwent commissioner by this name.

I went to try and get the same response as I could then have commented, but as I said indicates how flakey AI is.

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sugarland24 · 13/11/2025 20:24

IwantToRetire · 13/11/2025 18:38

AI says there was one:

Alison Townsend, the Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC) for Gwent in Wales, is a notable example of a police commissioner who has publicly and actively supported women's sex-based rights.

This is wrong, there has never been a Gwent commissioner by this name.

KnutsfordCityLimits · 13/11/2025 20:12

Ours has grant schemes that fund women’s organisations around violence against women, and has undertaken partnership work to improve public sector services for women, but it just depends whether these will now be taken up by the new authority. It could just be one of many things that the local authority has to do and might get lost in everything else, especially in areas that are going through local government reorganisation and will be doing a lot of internal reshuffling.

Tunnockstester · 13/11/2025 20:09

In July, I emailed our PCC for Hampshire and IOW Constabulary, Donna Jones, whether the Hampshire police had any involvement with Pride and mentioned the events in Surrey and Lisa Townsend. No response from Ms Jones but her assistant said she would ask the police. I have had no response from the police either despite reminding the office of the PCC several times.
Surprising really as Ms Jones is a tory and is standing to be mayor for the area.
I thought it was just the sort of policy area the of which PCC should be aware and influencing.

Llamasarellovely · 13/11/2025 19:00

I suspect Caroline Farrow would disagree about Lisa T.

IwantToRetire · 13/11/2025 18:59

Thingybob · 13/11/2025 18:49

Shouldn't that be Lisa Townsend, PCC for Surrey?

Probably! I thought I sounded strange, but just goes to show dont trust AI.

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Thingybob · 13/11/2025 18:49

IwantToRetire · 13/11/2025 18:38

AI says there was one:

Alison Townsend, the Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC) for Gwent in Wales, is a notable example of a police commissioner who has publicly and actively supported women's sex-based rights.

Shouldn't that be Lisa Townsend, PCC for Surrey?

IwantToRetire · 13/11/2025 18:38

AI says there was one:

Alison Townsend, the Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC) for Gwent in Wales, is a notable example of a police commissioner who has publicly and actively supported women's sex-based rights.

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