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I think Marina is just up to date with the “vibe shift” generally as she is on social media a lot and follows its culture. She’s just blowing with the current winds.

I listened to the episode
it was 29 mins and 30 seconds about TV / gossip / trivia.
30 seconds (in fact less!) on this issue

The episode of the podcast that the OP mentioned in their first post. HTH.

What’s your thread asking or wanting to discuss?

Marina Hyde wrote this article (linked below) for the Guardian and I was taken aback to read this straightforward sentence:

The fact is, the three mistakes that form the bulk of Michael Prescott’s explosive leaked memo about impartiality – the Panorama edit, issues with coverage of the transgender issue and bias in the BBC Arabic service – happened and are bad.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/nov/11/bbc-tim-davie-donald-trump-nigel-farage-boss

I think there's a greater chance MH will become more GC after the TRA pile-on for her mild comments so far.

I think it is progress that the presenters on this podcast have acknowledged the BBC has flaws. They have both (IMHO) been unthinking supporters of the beeb in previous podcasts, devoting large parts of several broadcasts to praise of the beeb. It is interesting to contrast their comments with those from the, "No Fear. No Favour. Seen in Journalism" podcast.

I was a huge BBC supporter. Grew up with Radio 4 in the 70s and 80s. It was my “go to” media outlet for news, analysis and entertainment. Not anymore. The last 10 years have changed that. I rarely tune into Radio 4 now and wouldn’t trust any of its news programmes if I did. Seeing the bias over transgender reporting; the blatant targeting of kids with programmes like, “Just a Girl” and articles like this one Trans and a triplet: Coming out brought our family closer together - BBC News; and the complete lack of concern over the erosion of women’s rights has given me a deep distaste for the whole institution. I would not shed any tears over its demise.

I suspect MH has been ensconced in a self-righteous Guardian bubble. She was quite sneery a week or so ago about the Times, recommending that people be aware they have a political agenda in their reporting while failing completely to acknowledge the paper she writes for has an opposite and (again IMHO) far more pervasive and biased agenda.

I don't think they would discuss these topics on depth either. Thankfully as nice to have a space that isn't too serious.

I do get this but some celebs have no qualms about entering other toxic debates ie Brexit, Trump, Gaza. Women's rights seemed a step too far even for those who self identify as feminists. They didn't want to get involved as trans rights was seen in their world as the latest 'trendy' cause.

I find my kids are fairly captured but equally are hesitant about female sports. They both really dislike JKR now; I find that sad but not surprising.

I feel their ideology must be based on never having been preyed upon sexually by absolutely piles of 💩 men from when I was about 9.
flashers,
cat calls,
boy friends,
A male family friend who actually abused me
bosses whose sexual language and harassment was the norm and constant

all this life experience means that I KNOW that abusers manipulate all boundaries from personal experience and also because women around hardly ever had your back because they were covering theirs.

I love my kids so I tread carefully and no longer say what I really think.

I also think I lost a job partly because I didn’t want she/her in my signature! The young managers were so witch hunty at the time.

The times have really shifted at least in this country and we can discuss this even if not in our homes!

you may find the fight to retain women's rights dull, in which case why hang around the FWR board?

I agree with pp that i like to think that people in the public eye who don't say TWAW out loud, are privately sex realistic. (ETA: but want to a) keep their jobs and b) not have nutjobs targetting their families)

I read some of the spotify comments.

If i understand correctly the TRA crybabies there who are wittering on about how it was their "safe space" and they are shook up that the trans issue was mentioned can't listen to anything at all that doesn't constantly either reaffirm them or ignore the fact that women have rights? How is saying "there have been complaints that male rapists who claim a female identity were referred to under their biological sex" an attack on the existence of trans people?

I know what you're saying, but I really don't think we can compare Brexit or even Gaza with regard to the flak that people, especially women get for speaking out.I wouldn't want to get all those rape and death threats. I'm not even 'out' on my personal social media, which upsets me and make me feel guilty, but I just can't cope with the hammering I'd get (not to mention possible ramifications at work).

I don't blame women in the media.

Its the TRAs we should be blaming for no debate, not other women.

There are still GC writers at the Guardian e.g. Susanna Rustin. Journalists there aren't required to swear an oath of fealty to the Trans Cult.

you may find the fight to retain women's rights dull, in which case why hang around the FWR board?

I agree with pp that i like to think that people in the public eye who don't say TWAW out loud, are privately sex realistic. (ETA: but want to a) keep their jobs and b) not have nutjobs targetting their families)

I read some of the spotify comments.

If i understand correctly the TRA crybabies there who are wittering on about how it was their "safe space" and they are shook up that the trans issue was mentioned can't listen to anything at all that doesn't constantly either reaffirm them or ignore the fact that women have rights? How is saying "there have been complaints that male rapists who claim a female identity were referred to under their biological sex" an attack on the existence of trans people?

We know who left the Guardian over "gender issues" and who didn't so can draw a conclusion about MH's attitude.

I do get this but some celebs have no qualms about entering other toxic debates ie Brexit, Trump, Gaza. Women's rights seemed a step too far even for those who self identify as feminists. They didn't want to get involved as trans rights was seen in their world as the latest 'trendy' cause.

I listened to it and was a bit annoyed they didn't give more time to the trans aspect. And i was very annoyed they were literally saying "poor bloke that's why he got paid half a million a year"

My view? Hyde is probably a sex realist but she works at the Guardian and has a nice upper middle class life (and husband at BBC) so never discusses it at all.

RO knows what he has to say to remain a popular author (although with his profile he won't get cancelled anyway) and probably knows the truth but it is not worth the loss in sales/gigs to be out and proud.

Where can i see comments about the programme? I listen to it on Spotify.

I listened to it and was a bit annoyed they didn't give more time to the trans aspect. And i was very annoyed they were literally saying "poor bloke that's why he got paid half a million a year"

My view? Hyde is probably a sex realist but she works at the Guardian and has a nice upper middle class life (and husband at BBC) so never discusses it at all.

RO knows what he has to say to remain a popular author (although with his profile he won't get cancelled anyway) and probably knows the truth but it is not worth the loss in sales/gigs to be out and proud.

Where can i see comments about the programme? I listen to it on Spotify.