Scottish Police say that they will record rapists as male

ArabellaSaurus · 2025-11-12T14:29:03+00:00

[[https://x.com/HolyroodDaily/status/1988558674919366698 https://x.com/HolyroodDaily/status/1988558674919366698]] 'Police Scotland Chief Constable Jo Farrell: "A man who rapes or attempts to rape a woman, girl or other victim is, should be, and will be recorded by Police Scotland as a male." "Let me be clear - my priority is to protect victims."'

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ArabellaSaurus · 13/11/2025 19:45

Grammarnut · 13/11/2025 16:43

Esp as UK law specifies that only men can commit rape!

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English/Welsh law is different from Scots law. Don't know about NI.

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SquirrelosaurusSoShiny · 13/11/2025 17:25

Prestissimo · 12/11/2025 14:31

This feels like significant news and yet... astonishing that it's so astonishing!

This summed up my immediate feeling too!

What an absolutely fucking insane world we are living in!

lechiffre55 · 13/11/2025 17:20

Grammarnut · 13/11/2025 16:43

Esp as UK law specifies that only men can commit rape!

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Yeah but like all words that gets perverted.
Xxx is a "woman" not a man therefore xxx cannot have commited rape ( despite having a penis ).

Grammarnut · 13/11/2025 16:43

Prestissimo · 12/11/2025 14:31

This feels like significant news and yet... astonishing that it's so astonishing!

Esp as UK law specifies that only men can commit rape!

moderate · 13/11/2025 12:13

Good news. Now do shoplifters and jaywalkers.

deadpan · 13/11/2025 09:13

Hallefeckinglujah!!

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ArabellaSaurus · 13/11/2025 08:14

And that is the 2009 Act's original wording. They've been trans inclusive for a very long time.

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ArabellaSaurus · 13/11/2025 08:13

Interestingly, if one finds the absurd interesting, the CC's statement could include women who call themselves transmen.

'In this Act—

“penis” includes a surgically constructed penis if it forms part of A, having been created in the course of surgical treatment, and

“vagina” includes—

(a)the vulva, and

(b)a surgically constructed vagina (together with any surgically constructed vulva), if it forms part of B, having been created in the course of such treatment.'

Scottish law is written to show rape as a gender neutral offence.

www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2009/9/section/1#section-1-2

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GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/11/2025 07:59

lechiffre55 · 12/11/2025 16:27

Copying my post from the other thread.

I'd like to cheer, but it starts "A Man who....."
I cannot but feel that this will be a qualifier, as in anyone who identifies as a woman won't be counted. The language has been so butchered I find it difficult not to look for the traps.

If it's true, I cheer this as great news, but I cannot help but be suspicious after all the language bending.

This was my first thought too.

ErrolTheDragon · 13/11/2025 07:55

GailBlancheViola · 12/11/2025 15:18

My thoughts exactly. Corrupted data is useless and allocating crimes committed by males to females whatever the crime may be does exactly that.

I would go further and state that trans identity should also be recorded in addition to sex where it is claimed.

Let's have accurate recording and a clear breakdown of crimes and those who commit them.

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Yes.
If, as some claim, ‘transwomen are women’, and no more likely to commit violent or any other crime than a natal female, the trans community would surely welcome robust data to prove this?

hholiday · 13/11/2025 05:21

hholiday · 13/11/2025 05:15

Well, it’s not that important, is it? ‘A dangerous 6ft 3 woman is on the loose. Police say she is very violent and not to be approached’. What can go wrong with that? At least now if ‘she’ is a convicted rapist, we will get told – surprise! – it’s a man. But just a mass murderer? Nothing to see here.

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Sorry – and amazing work MBM. So pleased you are finally being listened to.

hholiday · 13/11/2025 05:15

DeanElderberry · 12/11/2025 15:22

. . . a petition created by the founders of policy group Murray Blackburn Mackenzie (MBM), which has been under consideration since July 2021 and seeks to accurately record the sex of people charged or convicted of rape or attempted rape . . .

More than four years

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Well, it’s not that important, is it? ‘A dangerous 6ft 3 woman is on the loose. Police say she is very violent and not to be approached’. What can go wrong with that? At least now if ‘she’ is a convicted rapist, we will get told – surprise! – it’s a man. But just a mass murderer? Nothing to see here.

Brainworm · 12/11/2025 22:39

lcakethereforeIam · 12/11/2025 15:11

Yes. What about crimes that aren't rape? Indecent exposure, domestic violence, murder, accessing child abuse images, even stuff like shoplifting, it should all be recorded accurately.

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I imagine that this is the thin edge of the wedge. In recognising that both biological sex [and gender identity if arising] can and should be recorded in rape cases, the question arises as to why this isn’t done with all crimes.

AlexandraLeaving · 12/11/2025 22:30

ArabellaSaurus · 12/11/2025 21:52

Teddy bears ARE bears!

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Good point. Though they are less well known for shitting than their breathing cousins.

RedToothBrush · 12/11/2025 21:55

Men's morning wood is wood.

Oh, wait. Ahem.

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ArabellaSaurus · 12/11/2025 21:52

AlexandraLeaving · 12/11/2025 18:26

To be fair, probably not in any of the woods within the remit of the Forestry Commission...

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Teddy bears ARE bears!

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AlexandraLeaving · 12/11/2025 18:26

ArabellaSaurus · 12/11/2025 14:33

IKR?

I look forward to the Foresty Commission confirming that bears do, indeed, shit in the woods.

To be fair, probably not in any of the woods within the remit of the Forestry Commission...

Toutafait · 12/11/2025 18:08

ArabellaSaurus · 12/11/2025 14:33

IKR?

I look forward to the Foresty Commission confirming that bears do, indeed, shit in the woods.

They'll need 4 years to consider your suggestion.

lcakethereforeIam · 12/11/2025 17:52

Further to my 15.11 post upthread, I think MBM are utterly fantastic. I'm worried I may have given the impression that I thought they hadn't done enough. If I'm disappointed in anyone it's the Police. This really shouldn't be necessary.

tobee · 12/11/2025 17:36

Great news!

But, blimey, it's all such a slog isn't it?

But onwards!

RedToothBrush · 12/11/2025 16:42

GailBlancheViola · 12/11/2025 15:18

My thoughts exactly. Corrupted data is useless and allocating crimes committed by males to females whatever the crime may be does exactly that.

I would go further and state that trans identity should also be recorded in addition to sex where it is claimed.

Let's have accurate recording and a clear breakdown of crimes and those who commit them.

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This.

"Massive increase in domestic violence by women" as a headline, might lose the impact if it's found that the data integrity is somewhat flawed - and that's a possible outcome of inaccurately recording sex.

If you want to record if someone is trans or not in addition to sex, then crack on. Somehow we don't get much support for trans visibility if we suggest this.

lechiffre55 · 12/11/2025 16:27

Copying my post from the other thread.

I'd like to cheer, but it starts "A Man who....."
I cannot but feel that this will be a qualifier, as in anyone who identifies as a woman won't be counted. The language has been so butchered I find it difficult not to look for the traps.

If it's true, I cheer this as great news, but I cannot help but be suspicious after all the language bending.

PastaAllaNorma · 12/11/2025 15:55

MBM have been such stalwarts 💐

DeanElderberry · 12/11/2025 15:22

ArabellaSaurus · 12/11/2025 14:30

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,rape-perpetrators-will-be-recorded-as-male-says-chief-constable

Well done to MBM.

'Jo Farrell set out the force’s stance during an evidence session in front of the petitions committee this morning, speaking about a petition created by the founders of policy group Murray Blackburn Mackenzie (MBM), which has been under consideration since July 2021 and seeks to accurately record the sex of people charged or convicted of rape or attempted rape. '

. . . a petition created by the founders of policy group Murray Blackburn Mackenzie (MBM), which has been under consideration since July 2021 and seeks to accurately record the sex of people charged or convicted of rape or attempted rape . . .

More than four years

Contemporaneouslyagog · 12/11/2025 15:19

No shit Sherlock .