Man who transitioned to female sues expert for discrimination after being told breastfeeding was delusional

Baby is now 6.

Their father has spent most of the child life bringing this case.

He even says himself breastfeeding was short lived (ie he didn’t actually feed his child to any level for any length of time) but is still taking about it 6 years later.

How very male of him!

Male humans do have breasts. That is true.

However, they have male breasts. The anatomy of a male breast is very different from the anatomy of a female breast.

Would any of those supporting a male feeding a human infant secretions from their breasts, like to explain how male 'breast tissue' becomes the interactive system that is behind the breast and endocrine system of a female person?

Because a female breast is in fact just that. A male person can never have the genetic coding to have the interactive feedback system that a female person has to feed infants. For a start, a male person also has not got the endocrine system set up through nine months of pregnancy with a highly complex system of hormones, receptors and other things that allow a female body's programming to produce a milk that matches their infant's development.

Only just coming through is research showing that there is a system where female breastmilk is always modifying with specific gut microbes just as their infant needs them. It has been understood that there is a complex interaction system in place where a female body adjusts milk composition even depending on the temperature to deliver more hydration as and when needed.

The female breast is part of a very complex endocrine system tailored specifically to the infant that the body has just delivered. How can a male genetically coded endocrine system have the same capability when the body will simply not have the same receptors etc to enable the processing of compounds that signal modification of the substance being produced for an infant?

This story is so gross. I feel for the medical staff who have to deal with people like this. I hope the baby is ok.

We don’t all start off as female. Nipples are formed before sex is determined. It’s too simplistic to say we start as females. There’s a stage where all human embryos briefly have a tail which regresses. No one says: "Everyone starts as a monkey and loses the tail."
Starting female would surely mean having XX and developing ovaries and then switching but that’s not what happens.

Hi @NumbersGuy

It’s pretty clear between the pair of people presenting as women - who the man is. No one needs a degree in biology.

But just in case you are sex blind as a choice the big give away is the man is the one who needs an endocrinologist and a cocktail of expensive hormones to induce lactation. And then posts about it on breastfeeding forums to women.

Over 24 hours this biological male says he produces 40mls. That’s less than three tablespoons. To pump to express you need to pump at least every three hours, 8 times over a 24 hour period. So each pumping (breast stimulation session) will provide 5mls. So 20mins of your breasts being stimulated for a trickle of milk. That person is out action for the 20mins or so the pumping and clean up session takes. A caring parent would not remove themselves from caregiving for so long for no nutritional benefit.

Average volume required by an average newborn over 24 hours is 600mls.

As the breast is not a normally responsive female breast - the baby will have to spend longer at the breast and given the total failure of production to any level that could sustain a child - the energy they expend on suckling the breast is negative to the calories it will receive. Further it’s time spent away from the mother who has milk producing breasts to keep the child fed. This can impact her production leading to more negative outcomes longer term.

So this man gets a lot of stimulation on an artificial sexual body part from an infant. Even if the milk is medically safe (there is no peer reviewed science on this point) the effort in actually feeding the child has no nutritional benefit.

The baby is a prop.
The man is a man.
The laws are upholding a fallacy.
The mother is using her baby as a tool for this man’s externalised and public fetish.
This is not about the welfare of a child.

Normla parents want to focus on nourishing their child, not breast stimulation every three hours and having a child suckle on medically induced breasts for no nutritional / calorific benefit.

I am not throwing stones. People are concerned for the welfare of a child. And rightly so.

Yes, and oestrogen as he'd been expressing for months - and this weird hormone cocktail is all the boy got for the first few days, as his mother was too ill 😡

Looking forward to the announcements the child is 'trans' due to effects of wrong-hormone feeding by pervy father and captured mother.

It seems actual medical staff wanted to safeguard the baby:

Doctors and midwives were initially reluctant to allow Ms Buckley to breastfeed in hospital, citing safety concerns. She later fed her baby at home using stored milk.

No I think they know that all 8 billion people on the planet have come from mothers and the vast majority are breast fed by mothers.

Seeing a man validated to expose his fake enhanced sexual body parts and have a child stimulate them is a new level of perversion. No care giver should want to see a child harmed.

Yes this

What mother wants her child to suckle on a biological man’s fake breasts which have no natural hormonal response and have them ingest hormones that are likely to be very medically harmful?

As a poster said upthread this is a documented erotic fixation. An infant is responsive to caregivers and being presented with a very likely surgically enhanced breast will encourage to to suck on the breast. Voila a man has a live stimulant for his preference and pleasure.

This has nothing to do with the nurture and best interests of the child.

Destroying a truth speaker’s life in the aftermath is just an added bonus.

I imagine medical staff are less judgmental than average. They must have truly seen it all. They're probably just glad they're not dealing with a death or a tragedy.

The article says that breastfeeding is a sex-specific thing, but actually men do have breast tissue, which is why they can get breast cancer. And the reason they have nipples is because we all start off female. Given the right hormonal stimulation, it's actually not surprising that they can produce milk. Weird as it sounds, they do actually have the physical equipment for it - nipples and a bit of breast tissue. But only a bit, so I suppose they would never produce very much. Yes, only biological women can produce milk without any intervention, but this is a reminder that men do, indeed, have somewhat female breasts!

I remember all the “don’t drink this” or “don’t eat that” when breastfeeding mine. Now you can take a cocktail of drugs to make moob juice and just feed it to a baby. I don’t know how medical staff are overriding their own disgust response to help someone do this.

Amazing how open these posters that hold some type of degree in human biology as to what a man versus a woman is supposed to be. Fortunately, Ms. Buckley is located in Queensland, Australia, which has anti-discrimination laws in place, which is why she's suing and the law (unless someone in here is possibly involved with a law degree here too) recognizes her as a female since that's what we're supposed to live by. Second, YOUR OWN NHS says that they have studied this and say there's nothing wrong with it - as noted by their Certified Breastfeeding Counselors (see link below). All because as I've read and heard time and time again, there's nothing that helps mother and child bond closer than this. And I've heard countless times about how "if my husband" or "if my male partner" knew what it was like, well are people going to say how it's a male perversion to want to have that same desire? Strange how these makeshift devices are being made for men so they can have the same attachment and help bond with their baby (see link below) and also help alleviate some responsibility from mom so she can get a break, since some don't always take a bottle. Well again, gotta say "bless your heart" to all of the "open-minded" posters who are so willing to destroy an entire a group of people without knowing anything about them. People and their glass houses.

Trans Women’s Milk as Good as Breast Milk, Says NHS Trust

male breastfeeding device

Its possible to do anything these days.

Domperidone is banned in the USA because of dangerous side effects on the heart. It's also not available for children under 12 elsewhere for the same reason. It's an anti-nausea drug, which affects lactation as a side effect.

And he fed it to an hour old baby for the lady feels.

This is child abuse. The child may well sue when older, for health being compromised or just the abuse itself.

I sometimes look at these headlines and wonder if they are a joke. I often need to read and re read the story to understand what on earth is going on.

"The act of TIMs simulating breast feeding for their own obviously erotic tinged gratification utilizing new born infants IMO reaches the threshold of depravity."

A thousand times this. Utterly sickening. It is state sanctioned child abuse.

All me me me as usual! None of it is in the newborn baby’s interest.

Taking a newborn from its mother and feeding it male nipple secretions is abuse. Those first few hours are essential for establishing the mother’s breastmilk production, getting colostrum into the baby and making sure they’re hydrated so even if the “milk” he produced was safe he is still harming his baby by doing this.

I am new to this area, i genuinely didn’t realise that this was an actual thing … I am utterly lost for words. Women, our bodies are so heavily regulated when it comes to giving birth. Gosh try getting an elective c section or beg for some breastfeeding advice if you’re lucky. Here, someone has been provided with a cocktail of drugs and all the support in the world to satisfy their own urges at the expense of an innocent child? It’s gone too far.

Re moderate/sensible transwomen- I’m pretty sure someone like Blaire White would publicly call out the depravity of this. Blaire has quite a big following and often calls out the worst of the AGP behaviour. Blaire is pretty right wing I think, but certainly sees the problem with the AGPs. I think Blaire is attracted to men, ie homosexual, so objects to straight men LARPing at womanhood for kicks.

I would add that in my previous post, I didn't use it without consideration. I don't consider GI inherently depraved. I don't even consider transwomen who transition as a result of agp to be depraved if their public presentation is within the bounds of decency - those individuals have a right to their own internal life and personal expression, even if I find it incomprehensible or unsettling.

The act of TIMs simulating breast feeding for their own obviously erotic tinged gratification utilizing new born infants IMO reaches the threshold of depravity. It's something that society must not tolerate. I understand if my post is deleted, but I would hope that it is because it's determined that the word must not be used in any circumstances here and not because it was used incorrectly.

I don’t know why this is not considered child abuse. Absolutely awful.

Makes you wonder what this discharge from his nipple actually is !
Poor baby being offered that for a feed !🥲

I think the more moderate are labelled trutrans / truscum and vilified within their own community. I suspect there’s a degree of keeping head down and getting on with life. It sort of reminds me of an abusive relationship where you can’t disagree with anything or they will turn on you. Then even when it gets increasingly outlandish you just go along with it.