Man who transitioned to female sues expert for discrimination after being told breastfeeding was delusional

The photo of the South American male model simulating breastfeeding for modelling shoot has been floating around twitter again over the past week. Has anyone got a link to it please?

It shows the low bar for care of infants that some people have. how they have no hesitation in using infants as props at all.

Procuring a baby for a man’s sexual fetish used to be frowned upon.

It's all part of AGP. Wanting to imitate women's anatomy, and their biological experiences, for sexual gratification.

Some of these men will stop at absolutely nothing.

I'm reminded of the man who wanted to experience still birth and the women who, apparently, lent him their baby, so he could pretend.

I really hope public opinion has changed enough that if this does go to court, they will see through an ideology that, in my opinion, has been deliberately made up to hide a whole raft of male sexual fetishes.

Giving him hormones to ‘mimic pregnancy’ in a male body - can they not hear themselves?

I am reminded of the men who are taking full advantage of this fetish enabling and openly tout for other people’s babies to ‘breastfeed’ with no fear of prosecution. Procuring a baby for a man’s sexual fetish used to be frowned upon.

Who knows what the long term damage could be? Look at the recent news of the anti miscarriage drugs, what is has done to the daughters of those poor ladies who took the drugs 50/60 years ago.

What harm is lurking round the corner for these poor children being subjected to this?

Thanks hellabore. Great posts

Yes, I am heartened that it was used and still stands. That is huge progress.

His wife, the baby’s mother, paused her MS medication for the duration of her pregnancy to protect the baby. That’s how women behave when their child’s wellbeing is at stake.

'The first time it came out I just started leaking,' Ms Buckley said. 'Then I pumped and it was a weird feeling having a suction cap suck out milk, but it was exciting.’

Uh huh. Best I don’t say what I really want to say about this gem lest I get a strike from the mods. Suffice it to say, I felt queasy.

If this is not the point when the world goes what the actual fuck, then nothing will. The safety and dignity of women has been ignored for aeons, but newborn babies? They are the most coddled beings on the planet and are being fed untested secretions from the nipples of defective men. That is abusing babies to at best, validate the defective men, at worst, to allow them to indulge in their fetish. I suspect that only fetishistic compulsion would drive someone this far. CHECK. THE. HARD DRIVE

There was one test done. It only tested for calories and other nutritional value. I believe that was on a sample that had been frozen and brought in so not verified that it was even from the male person saying it was from their body.

There has certainly not been a collection of data from a sizeable group of male people under clinically monitored and verified conditions. Yet, we are to believe that these one off tests are to be treated as statistically reliable data.

If you were that bothered about feeling like a woman and being an authentic woman then you wouldn’t use your manly semen to impregnate your wife. That’s not what women do

Why has no one tested the liquid that is coming out of these men's nipples? Surely that's the first thing that should be done - to centre the child and its health? Unbelievable.

By the way, here is the FOI that the organisation Children of Transitioners put in and the answer.

The Sussex NHS trust clearly state that their guidance was not intended for male people.

https://childrenoftransitioners.org/the-la-leche-loophole/

Maybe you should check your sources more thoroughly before posting.

Is there no group of people these blokes won't use to validate their special status?

It's a while since I was pregnant but I remember all the things that were verboten - alcohol, soft cheese, rare steak etc. The guilt piled on by all and sundry. Then the pressure to breastfeed. I had no issues but at least one friend was almost pushed to a full on breakdown because she couldn't and felt under so much pressure. All this because medical professionals know that certain things are best for babies. Then lo! Up pops a man who favours a frock and all thoughts of baby's wellbeing goes out of the window because he wants to get his rocks off. Disgusting.

In that photo of them in the hospital, you can almost feel the narcissism oozing off him through the screen. I can't help but feel this is a very coercive relationship and if the mother has been diagnosed with MS then maybe she feels no option but to go along with this (or maybe I'm just giving her too much credit)

Just adding this because it seems relevant to this discussion.

Further proof that there is lactation fetishists out there.

Page 46 of the WPATH leaked files report.

'In fact, within all the files, the sole instance where WPATH members express concern regarding the potential dangers and adverse effects of a medical procedure is found in a conversation involving a trans-identified natal male interested in hormone-induced lactation purely for the sake of experiencing it, with no intention of nursing an infant. From the information given, the patient appears to be otherwise mentally well, but his doctor described having ethical issues with this request, as it was not without some risk.'

'The replies echoed the doctor’s concerns, with one doctor calling the request unethical because it was a “medical intervention that is not necessary” and a San Francisco ethicist calling the reason for the intervention “questionable.”'

At least some medical professionals are recognising that there is 'some risk' involved with this treatment which is in NO way life saving and purely about satisfying a male's demand.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56a45d683b0be33df885def6/t/65e64b9e5cbd756da9fbbdfa/1709591479160/Final+WPATH+Report.pdf

Novel Lactation Induction Protocol for a Transgender Woman Wishing to Breastfeed: A Case Report

Esme D. Trahair, Sarah Kokosa, Andy Weinhold, Heather Parnell, Andrea B. Dotson, and Carly E. Kelley

27 March 2024

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/bfm.2024.0012

Background: Lactation induction in transgender women is a clinical and research priority in the field of breastfeeding medicine. To date, there are four case reports detailing successful induced lactation in transgender patients who wished to breastfeed. The Academy of Breast Feeding Medicine does not formally recommend a specific medication regimen for transgender patients due to lack of high-quality research.

Case Presentation: A 50-year-old transgender woman with a hypercoagulable disorder who was able to lactate and breastfeed with novel hormone regimen management at a gender care clinic. Her baseline hormone treatment was an estradiol 0.3 mg transdermal patch every 72 hours and micronized progesterone 200 mg daily.

Results: Within four weeks of initiating a modified hormone regimen (estradiol 0.4 mg patch every 72 hours, progesterone 300 mg daily, metoclopramide 10 mg three times daily), the patient was lactating spontaneously. On multiple occasions, she breastfed and expressed up to 30 mL of milk through pumping.
Conclusion: This report offers a new effective hormone regimen for transgender patients who wish to lactate and cannot access domperidone—the galactagogue used in previous case reports. It also provides a review of previously published case reports on this subject. Future research in this field should prioritize cohort studies of transgender patients who desire lactation to further assess patient attitudes, experiences, and outcomes.

Some more background on this:

https://x.com/millihill/status/1773343604678758886?s=200
The patient first expressed the unique desire to breastfeed her expected grandchild at an appointment with her endocrinologist in the spring of 2022. She disclosed that this was a last-minute idea that came to her very close to her daughter's due date. Her primary motivation for inducing lactation was to experience the bond from breastfeeding that she had not been able to experience with her own five children.
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Remember, by 7 days old an infant requires 65 ml per day.

https://www.babycentre.co.uk/x553873/how-much-milk-does-my-baby-need-in-the-first-few-days

Plus this male person was given

metoclopramide 10 mg three times daily.

So, there seems to be something going on here with this 'case'. How come this male person was permitted to feed an infant while on this drug when women are told to avoid it when breastfeeding..... it really doesn't seem that the endocrinologist put this infant first at all.

https://bnf.nice.org.uk/drugs/metoclopramide-hydrochloride/

Another recent case study.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s13006-024-00624-1

Case presentation

In this case a 37-year-old transgender woman, who was under the care of the centre of expertise on gender dysphoria in Amsterdam, and in 2020 started lactation induction because she had the wish to breastfeed her future infant. She was in a relationship with a cisgender woman and had been using gender affirming hormone therapy for 13 years. Prior to initiating gender affirming hormone therapy she had cryopreserved her semen. Her partner conceived through Intracytoplasmic Sperm Injection, using our patient’s cryopreserved sperm.

To induce lactation, we implemented a hormone-regimen to mimic pregnancy, using estradiol and progesterone, and a galactogogue; domperidone. Our patient started pumping during treatment. Dosage of progesterone and estradiol were significantly decreased approximately one month before childbirth to mimic delivery and pumping was increased.

Our patient started lactating and although the production of milk was low, it was sufficient for supplementary feeding and a positive experience for our patient.

Two weeks after birth, lactation induction was discontinued due to suckling problems of the infant and low milk production.
Conclusions

This case report underlined that lactation induction protocols commonly used for cisgender women are also effective in transgender women. However, the amount of milk produced may not be sufficient for exclusive nursing.

Nevertheless, success of induced lactation may be attributed to its importance for parent-infant bonding, rather than the possibility of exclusive chestfeeding.

As if to demonstrate how depraved this whole scenario is, Pink News celebrates a man who has an OnlyFans account so other man can pay to watch him "breastfeeding":

Archived to avoid giving clicks to PN:

Yes, trans women can breastfeed too. Here’s why it’s safe, healthy and good for both mum and baby
Feb 19 2024
https://archive.is/JkniV

After that leaked letter from the Sussex NHS Trust, these are some more links addressing the issue.

This article by Children of Transitioners is in response to the Sussex NHS Trust

Safeguarding Concerns in the NHS

22 Feb 2024

Many readers have seen Children of Transitioners’ letter from Sussex NHS Trust (thanks for your help Lottie/ Biology Matters project) link here.

Policy Exchange Biology Matters COTS Letter

Many press reports focus on the male secretion content rather than the ethics of unnecessary experiments with unlicensed drugs on babies or the use of infants in sexual paraphilias such as lactation fetish. There is no understanding that children with a parent who is trans should be safeguarded as other children are. The conflicts between the NHS LGBT/Stonewall rainbow badge scheme requirements and the rights and safeguarding of children of transitioners were apparently not noticed by NHS safeguarding staff before the scheme was heavily funded.

Since May 2023, we have been waiting for NHS England’s safeguarding team to respond to the safeguarding concerns and regulatory, legal, human rights and ethical failures we raised. We are therefore releasing this email so everyone can access our concerns.

See full article to read email to NHS Safeguarding - it contains terms and information that would probably get this post deleted:

https://childrenoftransitioners.org/2024/02/22/safeguarding-concerns-in-the-nhs/
Archived: https://archive.ph/EyFQO

WRN has also put out a statement:

NO TO MALE "BREASTFEEDING

A Statement addressing attempts to normalise male 'breastfeeding'

Recent claims from the Medical Director of University Hospitals Sussex NHS Trust that 'human milk' produced following 'induced lactation' as 'ideal for infants' is scientifically unproven and constitutes a dangerous escalation in the 'gender' and 'inclusion' narrative.

WRN strongly condemns the latest attempts to normalise the notion that males can sustainably produce the nutritional requirements of an infant. They cannot do so and should not be encouraged to try.

Breastfeeding is a complex biological process. A mother's milk adapts to the changing needs of her baby, providing essential nutrients and antibodies tailored to support the infant's growth and development. Colostrum is particularly important in preparing a baby’s gut for life outside the womb. Males do not possess the necessary physiological mechanisms to replicate this process.
Breastfeeding operates on a supply-and-demand basis. A baby's suckling stimulates milk production in the mother. Allowing a male to put a baby to his nipple can disrupt this delicate balance, affecting the mother's milk supply and compromising the infant's nutritional intake.

There exists a disturbing trend among male trans activists who openly use breastfeeding and breast milk fetishism for sexual gratification. This is the most dangerous aspect of a culture that seeks to affirm and validate identities rather than maintaining a sharp focus on the risks to the health and welfare of the baby and the mother. Greater effort should go towards providing support for women who want to breastfeed.

It is the responsibility of all media outlets to do due diligence and report only the facts on this topic, and to use clear language that does not obscure the sex of those being reported. There is insufficient evidence to support male breastfeeding and no research on the effects on the infant.

NHS Trusts have a duty of care to ensure that all published information and reference sources on induced lactation are based on rigorous scientific evidence and priority must be placed on the well-being of the baby.

We appeal to Victoria Atkins MP as Secretary of State for Health and Social Care to intervene, and insist that the NHS provides ethical, factual guidance based on evidence from accepted research.

https://www.womensrights.network/breastfeeding-statement

Archived: https://archive.ph/1tsCY

For any one else who is interested, these resources are a good place to start:

https://theparadoxinstitute.org/read/the-ugly-truth-of-male-breastfeeding

https://lascapigliata.com/2023/07/03/case-study-2-experiment-of-induced-lactation-in-a-trans-identifying-male-excerpt-from-born-in-the-right-body/

"they do actually have the physical equipment for it - nipples and a bit of breast tissue."

They have nipples and they have male breast tissue. Even when those male people put their breasts through the maturation process that occurs during female puberty and pregnancy, it is still male breast tissue. How would a male person develop the female endocrine system and other female body systems that support breastfeeding?

Did you even read the link about the NHS ?

No male breast secretion has been thoroughly tested for chemical interactions from the drug regimes that are used specifically for male bodies for any prescription. Nor any combination of testosterone and other drug interactions on that secretion.

Before making statements as you have, can I suggest that you go and find what research has and has not been done. If you can find the actual research that shows that even male human testosterone is not being passed to infants (particularly female infants), please link it up before you make statements as you have.

These articles contain lists of the studies that have been done :

https://theparadoxinstitute.org/read/the-ugly-truth-of-male-breastfeeding

https://lascapigliata.com/2023/07/03/case-study-2-experiment-of-induced-lactation-in-a-trans-identifying-male-excerpt-from-born-in-the-right-body/

None of those studies have adequately tested the chemical interactions.

All that link referring to the NHS that you have provided states is that

"In August 2023, the hospital defended its stance citing evidence from five studies dating back as early as 1977. Stating “overwhelming evidence” that “human milk” is better for a baby than formula. They also cited a 2022 study which found “milk testosterone concentrations” were under one per cent with “no observable side effects” in the babies."

That link was also not NHS advice.

The link reroutes to this article below which then refers to a "letter to campaigners, the University of Sussex Hospitals NHS Trust (USHT), said that the milk produced by trans women after taking a combination of drugs, is “comparable to that produced following the birth of a baby”."

https://internationalbreastfeedinginstitute.com/2024/02/trans-womens-milk-as-good-as-breast-milk-says-nhs-trust/

That NHS Trust finally put out the following in an FOI statement months later

"there have been a small number of occasions when (biological/cis) female partners of new mothers have expressed a wish to participate in the feeding process as well. The Trust is not aware of any instances where transwomen / biological men have expressed a wish to be helped to feed their partner’s child themselves.”

Also that reference to testosterone in breastmilk may be this study:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34490813/

The breastmilk of ONE woman was tested. A female person's exogenous testosterone was tested at 80 mg. I believe that male levels of naturally produced testosterone is higher and men receiving the same testosterone chemical as this female person will also be higher than 80 mg.

I also point out, this was an infant human being experimented on to produce this data. It was also a very short term study, no long term follow up study has been released on any infant that has been subjected to testosterone in breast milk. None.

Of course though, it was also just one baby. Do you really believe that advice to the world about infant nutrition should be based on such a weak evidence base? Why?

And could you please also explain what the direct benefit is to the infant to be fed a untested secretion

Because the human producing the liquid is male, ergo, no one should control his body. Not like the dreadful body of this female over there, who shouldn't take milk, alcohol or medicine or else!
(I was refused 3 days of Ibuprofen by the surgeon when suffering horribly after a butched birth because I was breastfeeding. Thankfully my midwife went behind his back and I could endure)

Buckley should be sued for attempting to poison a child, his wife should be sued for being complicit, and as a proud mother who breastfed three children, one of whom while I wanted to stop but carried on anyway to support his ailing health, I will definitely die on this hill.

And Jasmine Sussex is a hero and true to her vocation.

Humans do not all start of 'female'.

https://theparadoxinstitute.org/watch/do-we-all-begin-female

Please don't spread misinformation. Embryos start off 'undifferentiated' for the first stage of development. There is a huge difference. An embryo destined to become a male foetus is not 'female' just because it is in an undifferentiated state. It is genetically coded already from the sperm.

I;m pretty sure that the "dr" mentioned Naomi something is the one they always drag out when there is any kind of trans debate. If it's her she also doesn't think men have any advantage in sport. Like to see her in wrestling.