"Anyway, it looks like he/she couldn't produce enough, so it's a moot point."

Another sign that you have not even bothered to read the links or read the thread.

NO MALE PERSON CAN PRODUCE ENOUGH!

After three months of treatment, this increased to 227 grams of breast milk per day. Once the baby was born, she was able to exclusively breastfeed the infant for six weeks – during which time a paediatrician confirmed the baby was growing and developing normally and healthily.

Although significant, this is below the average of around 500 grams that a baby consumes by the time the it is 5 days old. After six weeks, the woman supplemented her breastfeeding with formula.

So.... for how many weeks did this infant receive half the nutrition it needed?

This male only supplemented the feeding regime at SIX WEEKS!!!

And this was supposed to be monitored surely. It was an experiment. Why was this allowed!

From the New Scientist article.
www.newscientist.com/article/2161151-transgender-woman-is-first-to-be-able-to-breastfeed-her-baby/#ixzz6f2Pil0Ik

https://archive.is/waNxb

Just to point out how many weeks did this infant receive half the nutrition it needed?

6 weeks

This male only supplemented the feeding regime at SIX WEEKS!!! The only nutrition that infant received was those secretions.

this is just one of the safeguarding aspect that is failing around this issue.

And again, just to repeat this:

"However, the woman’s breastmilk has not been assessed yet, so we don’t know if it has the same mix of components as in milk from new gestational mothers. This means the practice cannot yet be recommended, says Madeline Deutsch at the University of California, San Francisco. She says she can see the potential benefits of breastfeeding, but that the long-term impact of this milk on the baby – including on subtle measures like IQ – is unknown."

Just to repeat the Associate Professor of Family community medicine, Medical Doctor transwoman's comment about the potential long term impact of feeding this substance to infants:

"the long-term impact of this milk on the baby – including on subtle measures like IQ – is unknown."

But hey ... apparently the Family Community Medicine doctor who is transgender themselves is to be ignored.

It’s utterly sickening. I know we’re supposed to applaud and dab our misty eyes at this “medical marvel “ but he makes me want to vomit.

Having another look at Ophelia's list, I think we could probably find an example of nearly all of those incidents mentioned. And many of those examples have been self-published on social media.

Then there are the male people with transgender identities that are also 'babies and little girls in diapers', there are the male people with transgender identities that are into publishing images of themselves in BDSM gear yet hold senior positions in Girl Guides or the like.

There are male influencers who joke about listening to female toilet sounds on twitter, knowing that in doing so they are directly intimidating the female people who have stated that those male influencers are not welcome in female single sex spaces.

The list just goes on and on.

What is NOT a long list, is comparable lists of female people doing the same thing and self publishing about the incident.

Again, how is it that infants are not being safeguarded?

And again, what is the benefit to the infant to being fed an untested secretion from a male person when fully tested and safe options are available? @SoftBalletShoes @NumbersGuy

Why is a man referred to in the article as a "mother"? Whatever he may or may not call himself, he is nobody's mother.

If males who cant breast feed just got off the pot and admitted they can't breastfeed and it's not in the best interests of their baby and it's not for their baby to validate their trans identity, then we wouldn't have a problem.

This is not hate.

This is reality.

The reality is we should safeguard babies from being male identity props and ensure they are fed appropriately and aren't forced to suck the nipples of males for no gain to themselves and only for the adult male. They are not Dollys to be played with. They are humans who should be taught there is a sexual boundary here.

Male creep is CORRECTLY told that his baby sucking his tits isn't good for the baby because men can't breast feed and his fantasy of breastfeeding can't be anything more than that because it's fucked up and isn't in the best interests of the child because they are being starved and used a prop for a gender fantasy inappropriately.

So the man sues the woman safeguarding the baby.

Remind me again, which British broadcaster which is currently swearing blind that it's not institutional biased, ran a story about breastfeeding males last February which led to a shit load of complaints - which were upheld - over misleading and poor standards in journalism.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13553033/BBC-News-report-misleading-trans-womens-milk.html

Men suing over being told they can't breastfeed is the result of all this 'pregnant people' nonsense and anti-scientific nonsense that's being peddled rather than say 'no, it doesn't matter how you identify it still doesn't change your fucking sex and whether you have the physical capacity to do certain things, and no it's not discriminatory to tell you this'.

I am so sick of this pandering shite.

And how do you know which male people with transgender identities Ophelia has described or not?

I haven’t read her post all that closely but Ophelia probably has documented examples of all or most of what was described. Would you like to address those incidents? Would you even acknowledge that there will be no symmetrical female people acting this way?

That is the entire point here though.

Robust Safeguarding principles for male people feeding secretions to infants should be in place. Yet there are none. Yet you support it and tell those pointing out the significant boundary violations that they are hateful and prejudiced.

@OpheliaWitchoftheWoods Where on earth are you hanging out online to come across such filth?! This does not represent most transpeople.

I’m a former bf counsellor (not councillor as the mail says) and this is just outrageous. All this ridiculous man has achieved is ensuring many Aussie women are not going to be able to access the support they need.

As for the endocrinologist with the PhD in breastfeeding- should be struck off.

Breastfeeding is ALL about what is best for the child and best for the mother. Not what the deluded father wants. Appalling.

"they are not all pervs"

I am sure that not all male people who have transgender identities are pervs. Perhaps @SoftBalletShoes can also tell us how we can tell which male people who demand to feed infants untested secretions from their own breast when there are very well established safe options available?

Would it be the many that we have seen describe themselves as having electric charges at infants sucking on their breast? Is it the ones who celebrate 'cow achievement'? Is it the ones who are 'excited' by experience? Is it the ones who are grandfathers of that the children that they are feeding, not even the father?

How do we tell which ones are pervs and which ones are not pervs?

At least you seem to acknowledge that some male people with transgender identities are pervs, though. That is a start.

Well said. And these particular pervs are targeting babies - the youngest and most vulnerable in society with no ability to protect themselves.

Long overdue for men with this fetish to be removed from having any access to babies or children - ever.

🤔

It’s such a shame that there needs to be forums such as this one.
But, here we are. So tough.

Breast milk, being natural, adapts to the changing needs of the infant.

Artificially created secretions from a man’s chest will never emulate what Mother Nature endowed natural women.

I’m actually more furious with the natural-born women that attempt to bully non-believers into accepting these pervs.

They can have them.
They can give away their rights.

I assure you, I will not.

I think it becomes clear also in reading some posts from those supporting males feeding infants the secretion from their nipples, that perhaps they don't recognise boundaries that should be observed to protect children.

Numbersguy told women on the M&S bra thread that there is no issue at all that a male member of staff approached a female child in the bra department. Now on this threat, it is apparently appropriate for a group of male people to validate their own needs ahead of those infant's needs. And those supporting those male people cannot understand the boundaries of the child that are being ignored.

When people cannot see these boundary violations, it is children who suffer.

What benefit is there for infants to be fed an untested substance that when looking at the case studies is barely enough after the first week or so and may have significant future negative ramifications?

Maybe you should stop spreading so much misinformation.

Please tell us in which cultures that were not homophobic or inherently sexist did the transgender people you refer to 'always exist as transgender people'?

And please read the research that has been presented. Female people have natural hormones that allow the infant to utilise any interaction there is and that is well established for millennia. Any new chemicals for female people have been carefully evaluated before they are approved.

Your posts seem very poorly informed. Perhaps you can tell us exactly what are the benefits that you see for these infants that outweighs the many risks that are present in feeding an infant with an untested substance in a situation that may be considered child abuse?

No one is saying males are all pervs. But most pervs are male.

The red-hot hate on here is just 😱. Transpeople have always existed and they are not all pervs, like posters on here would have it. Natural-born women's milk is full of hormones too, by the way. Anyway, it looks like he/she couldn't produce enough, so it's a moot point. I'm sure the baby will be deeply loved by both. This is a storm in a teacup, fuelled by hate and prejudice, imo.

Apart from the fact that domperidone metabolites are known to have adverse cardiac effects on babies... women using it to bring on lactation are supposed to avoid feeding until they've been off it for a week.

... And yet, men need more than double the dose, to produce a small quantity of goop, which contains too much fat. We all know that babies need MORE fat. Right kids?

And that's before we even consider that he was taking androgen suppressants, what effect will that have on his baby boy? Does he even give a toss about it?

'The first time it came out I just started leaking,' Ms Buckley said. 'Then I pumped and it was a weird feeling having a suction cap suck out milk, but it was exciting.’

Yes I bet it was. We see you lactation fetishist. The ultimate validation for a bloke who wants to think he is a woman. Poor little baby. And no, it is not an excuse that the partner had a medical emergency that prevented breastfeeding. Note to pervy one: formula milk is at least known to be safe, unlike whatever hormone impregnated liquid he is forcing on the baby.

Honestly there needs to be lobbying in this area before policies are enacted which result in this being mainstream. I’m aghast. Thank you op for this post. It’s been eye opener.

And gosh.... imagine a woman knowing about breast development and what happens in our bodies when we breastfeed.

But a man feels absolutely confident that he knows better because he read about a letter that someone from one NHS (were they ever named) wrote that referred to poor quality research about male breast secretions as a justification for guidance that the Trust then denied was ever intended to be guidance for male people.

The post really ends up being just another male person attempting to belittle and berate women.

Amazing how open these posters that hold some type of degree in human biology as to what a man versus a woman is supposed to be….

Females aren’t required to study for a degree in human biology. A woman already knows what being a woman is.

We were born female.

I think that this gif works well with Numbersguy's post.

I don't believe they read the article at all.

You’ve misinterpreted that article because it doesn’t actually conclude that transmilk is as good as breast milk.

lactation in transgender women, emphasizing that “human milk is neutral and ideal for infants.” As mentioned above, they cite the 2022 study which suggests comparable hormone levels and thus assumed safety.

The key words being here ‘suggests’ and ‘assumed’. That alone rubbishes the claim that the both milks are on par.

Which brings me back to the incredulity of allowing this to occur when for example you can’t even get medicine for reflux without begging and pleading because most of it hasn’t been tested for safety.