Man who transitioned to female sues expert for discrimination after being told breastfeeding was delusional

I wouldn't even know where or how to find those incidents, and I'm not going to Google it. Quite apart from simply not wanting to type out such gross things, I'd rather the police didn't turn up at my door!

AND she was sacked as a volunteer bf counsellor.

There is a fucking huge ravine between bonding with your child and demanding that you, as a male person, should feed your untested breast secretions to them.

Dad and infant skin time is not Dad having their infant child suck their nipple.

@SoftBalletShoes wanting to deepen bonding with your child is not a valid reason to poison him/her.

I bonded a lot with my last DS during nights spent in hospital with him. Does that justify my breaking his leg to generate more hospital nights?

Those resources probably don't even cover the incidents that Ophelia mentioned or that I mentioned.

Most of those resources in the links I have posted are for those going through court or that have been convicted. Just so you are aware of the difference.

Her name is Jasmine Sussex and she is to go through a tribunal case next year. Hence she is in the process of publicising this to crowd fund.

'Speaking out on the explosive vilification case launched by Brisbane transwoman Jennifer Buckley, who has taken a former breastfeeding counsellor to the Queensland Civil and Administrative Tribunal for challenging her decision to nurse her newborn son, Ms Alsalem said people born male "do not breastfeed by definition".

Poor baby, being reared in this household. I hope somewhere a researcher has already begun a longitudinal study of the impact of this deplorable practice on the child. Of course it's all about the trans woman. The birth mother is an enabler. The baby would not starve without this drug-laden 'breast milk' to sustain it.

I was distracted earlier, what about the fat profile of the men's goop? Milk has different types of fat in it, what if they're producing mainly saturated, or a high % of triglycerides?

I will do some reading before posting again. Like I said, perhaps I am naive.

Peace. 💐

I think it's quite possible that posters here are focusing too much on bad actors, who aren't the majority.

That is your assumption, presumably because you want to think well of people, do it’s understandable.

Trouble is, when you’ve been looking g st this a while it becomes blindingly obvious that that is not the case. Additionally, we know that the bad ones are out there and seem to be quite numerous. Currently many systems and organisations are set up to explicitly enable the bad ones.

This is what we are pushing back against. In previous years, when these men generally kept to themselves and were in very very small numbers, it didn’t impinge do much on women’s rights and safeguarding of women s d children. But now they are invading the most female of women’s spaces and services and are being supported in that by activists and ignorant do gooders.

It is causing serious harm, even to tiny babies. Why would anyone turn a blind eye to that?

But since transwomen produce so little anyway, it sounds as if it'll be a non-issue.

How can it be a ‘non issue’ that some doctors and hospitals allow men who are more likely than not to have lactation fetishes to enact them on helpless babies and give them even a small amount of untested liquid that definitely has harmful drugs in it? Why are we even letting them try? It’s not for the benefit of the baby.

FFS! Enough with the dismissal!

Instead of asking "But what proportion of the trans population do these bad actors represent?"

you should be asking

HOW MANY CHILDREN SHOULD BE HARMED BEFORE INFANTS ARE TO BE SAFEGUARDED?

and

How many women and children should be harmed before ALL male people above the age of 8 years old are fully excluded from female single sex provisions?

It doesn't MATTER what "% of the trans population these bad actors represent"!

"I'm not saying people are prejudiced and hateful because they're uncomfortable with the breastfeeding issue. I'm talking about attitudes towards trans people as a whole."

Yet you have in two posts on this specific thread posted about hate and prejudice.

You have also repeated misinformation and not once acknowledged that you have posted that misinformation. Now you seem confused.

You are saying that transwomen 'can't breastfeed', then you say 'no evidence that the milk produced is harmful' as if that means that it is quite OK for it to happen.

Then you defend with , "babies are actually the biological children of these transwoman" based purely on your own assumption. Some of these infants have NO biological connection to the male people demanding to feed them. ONE was the child's GRANDFATHER.

You then have brought it something totally irrelevant in your need to justify your position, which is becoming increasingly confused every post.

It really is clear that you don't understand the safeguarding needs of children.

@Helleofabore Thanks for those resources. I'll look at them. They seem to be a collection of instances of bad actors, at first glance. But what proportion of the trans population do these bad actors represent? I suppose I'm just naive, but I tend to have a positive outlook and think that most people are not bad people. Unfortunately, you get bad actors everywhere, like female teachers abusing young male students. The DM has carried many such stories in recent years, which makes it seem like an epidemic, but the vast, vast majority of female teachers do not abuse their young male students!

The guys are quite keen to boast about their disgusting behaviour on social media - most is what they’ve filmed themselves.

I recognise at least one famous person from the description above - clue, he’s a comedian who likes wearing his own clothes, speaks fluent French and fancies himself as a politician. Last seen adjusting his nuts in the queue for the ladies at a railway station.

I agree that behaviour is not representative of quite a few trans people. The ones born female don’t behave like that at all. How strange.

Why do it? I suppose for at least one of the same reasons a woman does it - to promote bonding.

Anyway, I'm sure that very few transwoman who are parents actually do this. We're zeroing in on an outlier, who doesn't represent most transgender parents.

I'm not saying people are prejudiced and hateful because they're uncomfortable with the breastfeeding issue. I'm talking about attitudes towards trans people as a whole.

The breastfeeding thing is just silly. Transwomen can't breastfeed and they should accept that and use formula, as most do.

But as far as I'm aware, there's no evidence that the milk produced is harmful, correct? Equally, I suppose there's none that says it's NOT harmful, either. The NHS should say that we don't know the longterm effects and, therefore, they won't give transwomen the drugs to produce it.

The babies are actually the biological children of these transwoman. You talk as if random babies are being given to them! Apart from the milk being under question, why does it harm the baby to nurse on a female-born nipple but not one with a breast implant? After all, women with breast implants nurse, too.

I think the greater concern is the composition of the milk.

Since it's so little anyway, why bother at all? It cannot be for the child. It is for the adult.

Shame. Shame. Shame on them for deliberately doing the opposite of wha's best for an Innocent baby. It fills me with disgust.

Here you go @SoftBalletShoes , maybe this will help you catch up on why NO male person above 8 years old should be using any female single sex space.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread?latest=0

Also look up just for the UK, transcrime uk.com. All one word, but it is a site that MN tends to delete links too.

The language is still wrong, wrong, wrong, though, isn't it? The OP quotes

"A transgender mother". A mother is female who has given birth. This is not a mother here, this is a natal male, isn't it? Maybe I'm confused, or maybe that's the idea.

"But since transwomen produce so little anyway, it sounds as if it'll be a non-issue."

How many infants will it be OK to have fed this way before it is considered an issue that women can discuss without being told they are prejudiced and hateful by you and others like you?

How many women are to face prosecution before the message gets through that this is not OK?

Seriously?

How many infants will it be considered acceptable to be potentially harmed because YOU, personally, consider this a NON-ISSUE?

Someone has records of at least 20 infants being fed this way just in Australia! There are images of male people doing this in the UK and other countries. And yet, you dismiss it is a NON-ISSUE. You really don't understand safeguarding.

And I think you are projecting your own values onto a group of male people who you don't seem to have understood at all, but have assumed that you are knowledgeable about.

Replying to all who have replied to me: I read the mainstream press, and I haven't read anything about these pervs doing such things. Surely if you go looking for online spaces where pervs hang out, you will find pervs?!

I agree that transwomen should be more sympathetic to women. If I were a transwoman, I would not want to upset anybody, and I would use single-space loos and changing rooms wherever possible. I would use the disabled loo rather than the women's loo, and I'd change there too, if we're talking about a swimming pool. Yes, I know they're meant for disabled people, but if there's no disabled person in sight, then I don't think it matters if it's used by a transperson for a minute or two. I also would order undies online instead of making women uncomfortable in lingerie departments. I would go out of my way to avoid pushing into women's spaces, while also trying to make sure that I didn't get beaten up in a men's space. i.e. I'd probably feel more comfortable as a transwoman using the male loos at the theatre rather than the football ground.

There might well be transwomen who do all this, but you wouldn't know, because by definition, they're more invisible.

I dunno, I just tend to think positive and believe the best of most people. And I believe that most transpeople are genuine and don't want to upset women. I think it's quite possible that posters here are focusing too much on bad actors, who aren't the majority.

ETA: About the breastfeeding, I agree that there are too many unknowns about the milk that's produced. But since transwomen produce so little anyway, it sounds as if it'll be a non-issue. I'm sure that the majority of transpeople who are parents use formula, like gay male parents, for the very reason that we don't know the longterm effects. Again, we're focusing on an outlier.