It's not milk. That's the point.

Hth.

But if she’s producing milk then of course it’s nutritional?

They want a baby to suck their nipples for no nutritional reason. I think that's deviant behaviour.

Did you miss this then? Extreme transgender activists attacked Brighton Centre on Kings Road because women were meeting to discuss women's needs.

https://archive.is/aqZSn

I don't know whether anyone has done research into this.

A quick Google and AI summary confidently tells me that "Male breast milk has a similar fat content to female breast milk" , however it has based this on 2 articles, 1 from La Leche league and 1 from the guardian, which are actually referencing lactating females, not males.

Umm you can be GC but your words are disturbing. This person is excited about breastfeeding their baby. I was the same. Calling someone a deviant peadophile for this is messed up.

I posted acknowledging that I might well be naive and explaining why that is.

I have looked at the links but haven't got very far yet. The first one is dead and links to some dodgy website. The Google ones are taking an age to load. One or two seem to be from biased sources. It was interesting about the BBC and its bias. I do wish there was more info from neutral sources.

So can this person feed their baby milk from their breast or not?

Bloody sexually deviant paedophile.

You are naive and trying to invalidate others lived experience.

Why is it always about the lived experiences of transwomen? Why is it never about women?

It's almost as if the very essence of it all is sexist in itself. Which it is.

Women have to defer to men and then are told that 'oh well I've never heard any complaints so it can't be much of a problem'. The issue with that being played out in spectacular fashion in several court cases which are demonstrating that complaints simply aren't allowed or are rejected by the system and instead turned against women for speaking out.

Women live in fear of complaining about this subject. They are shamed and ostracised. Or as we also see, and I refer to my previous post, there are attempts to punish often through process...

Then, respectfully, take time to go back and look at the links and reasoning that people have taken time to share with you.

I stand by my previous posts.

If anyone's tried to explain their training, I missed that. I am posting while multi-tasking.

Same time again.

Think we might have posted at the same time. Did you see my post that's showing directly above yours?

No you're not, you're all over this thread calling women hateful.

When women here have tried to explain their thinking, you've attempted to shame them as if it's somehow their fault for looking at grubby websites.

At least own it.

(Edit for typos)

Your innocence is not other people's experience as you point out.

That's part of the problem. We are not allowed to talk about our experiences because no negative experiences are ever allowed to be voiced. We are the real silenced.

For me and people like me who have been asked to erase our entire childhood's or significant part of our own lives to defer to males it's really not cool.

It's the living whilst walking on eggshells... The living with fear.

Yes, I found that once my eyes were opened I couldn’t look away, and I certainly can’t shut up.

The issue isn't with women who are sounding the alarm, as your patronising post suggests - that if we just focus elsewhere we'll soon forget all about the nasty things some men do.

We don't want to close our eyes, cross our fingers and hope it never happens to us/ anyone we know. We want to protect women - all women- from this vileness, however the perpetrators choose to identify.

That does not equal saying 'all trans people are perverts'.

Why is this so difficult to grasp?

I wasn't saying any of those things. My purpose was to explain why I might be naive. I said that in my post. I also specifically said, twice, that I know just because I haven't seen problems doesn't mean there aren't any. I wrote:

I am NOT saying problems don't exist; my purpose in saying this is to explain why I might be naive:

and

Not saying there are none, [problems] I'm explaining my innocence.

OMG you are still totally missing the point.

Your reasoning seems to be that, because you, personally, haven't had a problem we can just ignore all the women who have?

Women have literally been raped after being jailed with transwomen sex offenders. Is that OK with you? Because it wasn't you, or anyone you know? Because it doesn't happen very often? How many would be OK with you?

For the 999th time, not all men are rapists, yet we still keep them out of women and children's spaces.

Same goes for trans women.

Can you really, truly, not understand this?

@RedToothBrush (and also the others who have replied to me)

I'm not including your post in my reply, just to try to avoid cluttering the thread too much.

I must have been lucky or walk around with my eyes shut, because off the internet and back in the real world, I don't see transpeople causing problems in everyday life. I am NOT saying problems don't exist; my purpose in saying this is to explain why I might be naive:

I've spent much of the last three years back in my hometown, which is Brighton!!! I've spent time going to loos in restaurants, the occasional hotel (as there's a dearth of public loos at the eastern end of town), and trying on stuff, and I've never seen a single transwoman in any loo or changing room. And that's in Brighton, of all places! I don't even really see them as I walk around. They are actually a minute percent of the population, off the internet and back in the real world. No one I know in Brighton has ever had an issue, either, and we all use the Marks Brighton changing rooms frequently. I've heard no conversation or gossip or rumours about any problems, basically. Not saying there are none, I'm explaining my innocence.

@OpheliaWitchoftheWoods I looked at that website. Why would you look at such a thing?! There are many hate sites, like that gross Chan thing. (Not going to type the name.) There's hate of all stripes on the internet. Just don't look at it or focus on it! If you do, of course it will seem endemic.

That nutty psychiatrist who wanted 'love and treats' for Dr Upton is pro male bf (and happy to give away other women's rights).

x.com/HattyFeldman/status/1676195301747458048?s=20

You'd think the GMC / RCPsych would have rules about that kind of thing but they're probably as captured as everywhere else in the NHS.

Whatever happened to 'first, do no harm'?

The breastfeeding thing is just silly. Transwomen can't breastfeed and they should accept that and use formula, as most do.

But This. Thread. Is. Literally. About. Transwomen. Being. 'Silly'. And. Then. Throwing. Their. Weight. About. And. Not. Accepting. This. And. In. The. Process. Lashing. Out. At. Women. Saying. This. Isn't. Just. 'Silly'. It's. Putting. Very. Young. Babies. (Y'know, the actual most vulnerable in our society) At. Risk.

AND THEN

Vindictively taking them to court for saying this to punish the women saying this as if the women are to blame for reality.

This is the point. It's abusive behaviour by males who don't like hearing the word no.

There isn't anything 'hateful' about being extremely pissed off at this abuse of the system and the act of trying to punish women.

One of my biggest problems with my brother was precisely this - jealously, inflicted on women, because of an unresolved anger at women for being women through no fault of their own. It does manifest and we need to be honest that it's problematic.

This is all about a form of male power punching down on women for existing. It's rage fuelled jealousy which is justified with the poisonous accusation of transphobia because it's effective sadly.

Instead of dealing with reality women are supposed to ignore every act that crosses this line between self expression and abuse of others in the pursuit of an unachievable and unrealistic fantasy. It's an unwillingness to accept there are boundaries.

Once you see and understand how many males ARE taking it too far and are acting in this abusive way in all manner of situations you can't unsee it.

Not all but actually most because the act of using female facilities and pronouns and getting angry when women complain or don't comply is actually part of this.

This isn't transphobia, it's a recognition of male pattern abuse and punching down on women as a men's to deal with their own male insecurities and unachievable demands that women can never actually satisfy even if they try, because the jealousy always remains.

It doesn't matter how understanding or sympathetic women are, ultimately they ''never understand" and that's part of the complex. Women are socialised to try and satisfy and please, yet this behaviour actually puts them at risk, because it's never enough. No matter what women do, it is never enough. No matter how much they validate, accept etc etc - because ultimately they know women know they are men and they can't cease to be men.

And women must be made to feel guilty and if they don't they must be made guilty.

It repeats over and over.

Fair enough.

My point was that Ophelia was not making stuff up and what she mentioned has been self published on social media over the years. And again, the point is twofold.

Firstly, we cannot tell good intentioned male people from the others.
Secondly, therefore in the name of robust safeguarding a blanket exclusion should apply.

Maybe though, you should also read up on the current BBC issue where an independent report has highlighted just how little any article that portrays any trans person in a negative light is published by them. Even when other mainstream media have covered it. The reason has been identified that the LGBT news desk would ignore any news item that didn't celebrate people with transgender identities.

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/when-will-the-bbc-face-up-to-the-truth/

Maybe that will answer part of your question as to why you might not be reading what we have been reading for years.

For instance, when the issue with the NHS Sussex writing in a letter about supporting male people breastfeeding was in the news, the BBC did a segment and asked on an 'expert'. The expert was a gender studies professor who just repeated that of course these 'women' should be helped to breastfeed, and repeated that it was proven safe. When it has never been proven safe at all. But this is what has been happening.