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Anyone wanting to support greens but really stuck on their trans beliefs and policies?

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ForCraftyWriter · 11/11/2025 09:09

I haven’t heard anything else that I disagree with, but I’m so disappointed by the outright ‘trans women are women statement’ and consequent policies. In my view this attitude doesn’t fit with the other green policies. Here we are saying that women are an unimportant subspecies, and that the wants of a very small number of trans identifying males trump the rights and needs of all the actual females.

How is anyone squaring this in their minds? Can you bring yourself to vote Green?

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Waitwhat23 · 13/11/2025 19:02

The Scottish Greens are also just shite at actual environmental issues. Every time I walk past one of unused, mouldering DRS units in Aldi car parks all over Scotland, I have to resist the urge to kick it.

Anyone wanting to support greens but really stuck on their trans beliefs and policies?
Waitwhat23 · 13/11/2025 18:58

Zimunya · 11/11/2025 16:55

...voted against victims of rape being able to chose the sex of their medical examiner,

Why? Surely you have to be incredibly psychotic and cold hearted not to understand that it is decent and humane to support people who have been raped with as much dignity and compassion that we can provide?

The Scottish Greens voted en masse against the amendment designed to allow rape survivors to request a female Forensic Medical Examiner -

https://www.holyrood.com/editors-column/view,six-little-words-for-the-word-gender-substitute-sex

Scottish Green MSP's were given a whip to vote against the amendment, leading Andy Wightman to later leave the Scottish Greens in protest -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-55361550.amp

The Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre who were the subject of a scathing independent report which showed that they had 'caused harm to rape survivors' was presided over by no other than Maggie Chapman of the Scottish Greens, who allowed Mridul Wadhwa to take up a position which had been advertised as an occupational requirement, under the EQA 2010.

The Scottish Greens utterly despise women.

Six little words: for the word ‘gender’ substitute ‘sex’

Those six little words encapsulate much of the debate on what it means to be a woman over the last two years

https://www.holyrood.com/editors-column/view,six-little-words-for-the-word-gender-substitute-sex

ArabellaSaurus · 13/11/2025 08:58

ForCraftyWriter · 11/11/2025 20:12

Interesting as what prompted my post was his social media clip saying, ‘Don’t agree with one of our policies? Join us anyway as we value all views and everyone has an equal vote so join us and let’s discuss it’

'Join anyway, as we desperately need your subs to defend the various court cases on the horizon for us discriminating against our own members'.

RedToothBrush · 12/11/2025 23:40

I'd actually support more green policies from any party if they were coherent.

I'm really not seeing it from anyone.

RedToothBrush · 12/11/2025 23:39

GingerBeverage · 11/11/2025 09:38

Voted green in the past but they switched to wanting open borders and I can’t agree. So it’s not just one policy that’s a problem.

https://migration.greenparty.org.uk/migration-policy/

The Green Party in government will:

  1. Implement a fair and humane system of managed immigration
  2. Treat all migrants as if they are citizens
  3. Give all residents the right to vote
  4. Help families to be together
  5. Dismantle the Home Office
  6. Abolish the No Recourse to Public Funds condition
  7. Abolish the ten year route to settlement
  8. Stop the profiteering from application fees
  9. Stop putting people in prison because of their immigration status
  10. Accept our responsibility for the climate emergency and support the people forced to move

I'm not anti immigration but that's fucking ridiculous.

StewkeyBlue · 12/11/2025 23:33

surprisebaby12 · 11/11/2025 20:00

Focusing on trans people, a vulnerable minority, and using that as a reason to ignore every other socially aware and actively positive policy the greens have is shameful. They are constantly attacked, online and in real life. You should be ashamed. The greens are much more than trans rights, but trans people shouldn’t be anyone’s punching bag.

@surprisebaby12 This is not about using anyone who is trans as a punching bag.

Not at all.

It is about recognising and protecting the sex based rights of women in contexts where women are vulnerable to make bodied people.

And the Greens are not prepared to recognise or protect women’s sex based rights.

See the pp about the Scottish Greens voting against a female rape victim being allowed to opt for a female to examine her.

LeftieRightsHoarder · 12/11/2025 23:25

I'm actually a Green Party member, and I don't vote for them any more. The environment and animal welfare come way down the agenda. Top priority (as far as I can see) is the transgenderist project of dismantling women's rights, followed by all the other tick-box currently fashionable causes. I wish they'd set up their own party instead of taking over the only one that used to prioritise our planet and all its inhabitants.

Heggettypeg · 12/11/2025 23:04

I'm no fan of bad private landlords, but the thought of all available housing (for people who can't afford to buy) being in the gift of the kind of people who think you should be cancelled, sacked and hounded for Wrongthink, gives me the creeps. Imagine being a known GC woman in need of a council flat in Bristol after private landlords have been abolished.

StrongLikeMamma · 12/11/2025 22:57

Who will you all vote for then ?

Alpacajigsaw · 12/11/2025 22:30

They don’t want my vote, so hey ho.

ForestAtTheSea · 12/11/2025 22:27

captainoctopus · 11/11/2025 13:49

Has anyone knowledge of policies of green parties in other countries? Do any of them have a better grip on how to run a country?

In Germany, the Green party has (mostly) been in parliament since the 1980s (both national and of the various German countries one administrative level lower). I don't remember when it started but they have been part of various coalition governments for many years.
They did good work in lawmaking with regard to air and nature pollution, a move to include regenerative energy and other typical green topics. But meanwhile, most other parties took up "classic" green topics (the environment), too, and it is not their distinctive feature anymore.

Similarly to the UK, the past years they've moved very left, where they were in their founding years, too - against the state, and trans is a religion.

The recent co-leader of the Green Youth party, Jette Nietzard (stepped down now) wore an "ACAB" shirt on Instagram and according to media reports trash talked the Green environmental youth politicians (interwoven with Fridays For Future & Co.) and wanted to focus much more on radical left topics, everyone's a victim, Palestine etc.
When she was confronted in an interview with what would she say to a father whose daughter was randomly killed by a rejected asylum seeker who was still in the country (this is a real case from Germany), she was just babbling, couldn't even bring herself to express condolences or accepting that it was a serious matter. It just didn't fit her reality.

SwirlyGates · 12/11/2025 19:16

Well I'm in Scotland and the Scottish Greens have told me they don't want my vote unless I agree that TWAW: "Co-leader Gillian Mackay said not backing the idea was ‘probably a red line for us’ and it was ‘a matter of basic human decency’" Hmm I suspect they have announced this so they can claim that any votes for them are a mandate for TWAW, in the way that the SNP say that any vote for them is a vote for independence. Of course, this is completely underhand as there will be many Green voters who are unaware of this statement and think they are voting for the planet.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/09/voters-not-back-scottish-greens-trans-women-are-women/

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GingerBeverage · 12/11/2025 11:03

Here are their various motions: https://www.greencoordinate.co.uk

An oldie but a goodie:

Solidarity with Drag Queen Story Time / Hour
https://www.greencoordinate.co.uk/archive/autumn2022/motions/lm-dqst/

And an interesting one:

Reducing Conflict Over Gender Critical Debate

https://www.greencoordinate.co.uk/motions/reducing-conflict-over-gender-critical-debate/

ThatBlackCat · 12/11/2025 01:33

surprisebaby12 · 11/11/2025 20:00

Focusing on trans people, a vulnerable minority, and using that as a reason to ignore every other socially aware and actively positive policy the greens have is shameful. They are constantly attacked, online and in real life. You should be ashamed. The greens are much more than trans rights, but trans people shouldn’t be anyone’s punching bag.

Your post has to be a joke, @surprisebaby12 . Firstly, males are not 'vulnerable' nor a 'minority'. They are the predator and oppressor sex class. Rebadging some as 'trans' only heightens that Male Privilege. And the fact that trans as a hole has managed to systematically re-order society and remove womens rights in less than a decade shows the enormous power they wield. They are the most privileged, most powerful and most protected group there is. They are the ones who are constantly attacking women online and in real life; giving us rape threats, death threats, threatening to punch a terf, to stab us, to curb stomp us and burn us alive. Trans are the most powerful and untouchable Sacred Caste there is, so no, you're the one who should be ashamed, not us. The female sex should not be powerful and privileged trans punching bag in all their pursuit of Male Supremacy.

StandbyLight · 11/11/2025 21:44

FictionalCharacter · 11/11/2025 17:41

This for me is the worst part of it. They’re not focused primarily on the environment whilst having a TWAW viewpoint as a side issue. They have made gender ideology absolutely central. They talk about it constantly and passionately. So not only are they no longer a “green” party, they are zealots, and I believe that even when genderwoo has generally died down in society, they will still be at it.

This.

I'm the sort of person you might imagine wanting to vote Green. We have solar panels, recycle everything, have trugs to save shower water, cycle and walk everywhere to avoid car use, grow our own veg on an allotment etc etc. Environmental issues are of real weight to us.

But I am a woman, a mother of daughters and also like functioning government and councils.

Any party who has Maggie Chapman in it needs a very very very hard swerve.

Okiedokie123 · 11/11/2025 21:44

The person who stood for the Greens in our ward at the most recent elections for councillors is a bloke. Father to a 3yo son.
Not a chance can I vote Green.
or Labour, my usual choice.
or Tory, because obviously.
or Reform,
or Lib dem.
which leaves nobody in my area. :(

Thelnebriati · 11/11/2025 21:38

Kendodd · 11/11/2025 18:56

Maybe the thing to do is actually join the party, get involved, and be vocal about TWANW. Then let the book you out if they really want to.

Many of us used to be in these groups and political parties and saw the mission creep. It was like a juggernaut. Anyone contemplating this should be aware of how stressful it is to be in an organisation and challenge a hard core group with an agenda. The amount of bad feeling it generates, the way you are monstered and turned into a Bad Person. Its not just a case of getting kicked out of a party, its all of your peers and local groups.
You've seen the thread on how Susan Smith is being accused of breaking an umbrella? It might sound amusing sat in your home behind your keyboard but you should think about how isolating it is when its your neighbours and its every day.
Think about if you could cope with being on the receiving end of an intervention or a kangaroo court, because that's where we are.

Talkinpeace · 11/11/2025 21:22

The Brighton MP celebrated us having to walk across broken glass to get to the Filia conference.

Greens can do one

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 11/11/2025 21:14

GingerBeverage · 11/11/2025 09:38

Voted green in the past but they switched to wanting open borders and I can’t agree. So it’s not just one policy that’s a problem.

https://migration.greenparty.org.uk/migration-policy/

The Green Party in government will:

  1. Implement a fair and humane system of managed immigration
  2. Treat all migrants as if they are citizens
  3. Give all residents the right to vote
  4. Help families to be together
  5. Dismantle the Home Office
  6. Abolish the No Recourse to Public Funds condition
  7. Abolish the ten year route to settlement
  8. Stop the profiteering from application fees
  9. Stop putting people in prison because of their immigration status
  10. Accept our responsibility for the climate emergency and support the people forced to move

If you wanted a manifesto that puts you back in the box this is it. They won’t survive contact with publicity

DrBlackbird · 11/11/2025 21:05

RattlingTin · 11/11/2025 10:20

I used to vote Green when I was young (and when the Green Party was about the environment).

i wouldn’t vote for them now. Aside from the gender stuff I don’t like many of their people… Zack Polanski creeps me out, especially after all the hypnotits nonsense. And Sian Berry is awful - I used to live a few doors away from her so have met her quite a few times - was so disappointed, she’s an idiot!

Same in previously voting for them when they were about the environment but never in a million years. Their policies are crazy as is their leadership (hypnosis for larger breasts just wtaf). So disappointed how the left seems to have all gone batshit.

The greens are much more than trans rights and how on earth can you explain or defend the newly appointed leader of the party who knows nothing about environmental issues? It should not be called the Green Party anymore.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 11/11/2025 20:18

ForCraftyWriter · 11/11/2025 20:12

Interesting as what prompted my post was his social media clip saying, ‘Don’t agree with one of our policies? Join us anyway as we value all views and everyone has an equal vote so join us and let’s discuss it’

Bwahahahaha they've got a nerve!

this from the party that banned Green women's declaration from the Green Party conference

at best they just want to tell women that they're wrong, TWAW and the most vulnerable ever

ZP doesn't strike me as the sort of leader who is keen on members dissenting from what he thinks. Very much a messianic type of leader

edited to say - check out what happened in Bristol when women attempted to ask questions the green run council didn't want them to ask. All the green cllrs walked out....so yes I've no faith Zak is interested in listening to everyone's views

Theeyeballsinthesky · 11/11/2025 20:15

surprisebaby12 · 11/11/2025 20:00

Focusing on trans people, a vulnerable minority, and using that as a reason to ignore every other socially aware and actively positive policy the greens have is shameful. They are constantly attacked, online and in real life. You should be ashamed. The greens are much more than trans rights, but trans people shouldn’t be anyone’s punching bag.

yes that's right women are constantly masking up, screaming in ppls faces, banging on the windows when they meet, chalking offensive slogans on pavements where trans ppl meet, threatening rape, pissing in the street as a 'protest',

oh no wait! That's not women is it, that's TRA

and as the greens think all of that behaviour by TRA is just fine, I wouldn't trust them to run a bath let alone a country.

ForCraftyWriter · 11/11/2025 20:12

Theeyeballsinthesky · 11/11/2025 19:22

They've been very clear they don't want GC votes so I shall grant them their wish

in all seriousness the moment any one tries to venture GC opinions within the Green Party, they're suspended and subject to their Byzantine internal investigative process which seems designed to keep people in limbo fir as long as possible

Interesting as what prompted my post was his social media clip saying, ‘Don’t agree with one of our policies? Join us anyway as we value all views and everyone has an equal vote so join us and let’s discuss it’

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WoodBeGreen · 11/11/2025 20:04

The greens are much more than trans rights

Do they accept people in their party who want trans people to have the same rights as everyone else yet don't pretend that people can change sex?

I thought they actively tried to get rid of them - is that not correct?

surprisebaby12 · 11/11/2025 20:00

Focusing on trans people, a vulnerable minority, and using that as a reason to ignore every other socially aware and actively positive policy the greens have is shameful. They are constantly attacked, online and in real life. You should be ashamed. The greens are much more than trans rights, but trans people shouldn’t be anyone’s punching bag.

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