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Anyone wanting to support greens but really stuck on their trans beliefs and policies?

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ForCraftyWriter · 11/11/2025 09:09

I haven’t heard anything else that I disagree with, but I’m so disappointed by the outright ‘trans women are women statement’ and consequent policies. In my view this attitude doesn’t fit with the other green policies. Here we are saying that women are an unimportant subspecies, and that the wants of a very small number of trans identifying males trump the rights and needs of all the actual females.

How is anyone squaring this in their minds? Can you bring yourself to vote Green?

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SwirlyGates · 22/11/2025 17:39

@PeachOctopus I suspect a lot of their growing support is due to populist statements like "tax the rich", "landlords are evil". The number of poor people is higher than the number of rich people, and the number of renters is higher than the number of landlords. Also, the number of stupid people is higher than the number of intelligent people.

PeachOctopus · 22/11/2025 14:55

A few things worry me about the Greens:

Polanski has implied that he will revert the high court judgement by changing the equality act to include transgender women, the judges would then interpret the law differently.

They want to campaign for the right of self-identification for trans and non-binary people.

They are very much in favour of hate crime legislation for the categories of trans people, Islamophobia etc.

They want to ban petrol and diesel cars.

They are against small scale nuclear reactors that I think are the best way to produce non carbon energy.

They want to legalise all drugs

They want to legislate to put landlords out of business through increased regulation and taxation

They are a lot further left than Labour but copy definitely come to power in a Left wing alliance.

Cycleorrun · 22/11/2025 13:31

I will not vote for any party that does not support women's rights to single sex spaces. Which rules out the Green Party for sure.

Shortshriftandlethal · 22/11/2025 11:06

What a grifter!

Shortshriftandlethal · 22/11/2025 11:04

Theeyeballsinthesky · 22/11/2025 08:54

For those on twitter, zak musing on how the greens can get gender critical women to vote for them while also telling them they're wrong

https://x.com/emmabatemangpw/status/1991996977996034220?s=46

Edited

"......whilst not legitimising their legitimate concerns..."

Waitwhat23 · 22/11/2025 10:48

Wee video from Shaunyboy about the Scottish Greens -

Which reminded me of the time that Lorna Slater walked out of a disussion in the Scottish Parliament when asked to clarify statistics which had been found to be misleading and incorrect -

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/lorna-slater-flees-holyrood-chamber-28998841?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 22/11/2025 08:54

For those on twitter, zak musing on how the greens can get gender critical women to vote for them while also telling them they're wrong

https://x.com/emmabatemangpw/status/1991996977996034220?s=46

Tiddler1976 · 22/11/2025 08:20

I can’t and won’t vote for any party that seeks to dismantle protections for single sex spaces. It almost doesn’t matter what other policies they offer as the loss of women’s safety and privacy is so fundamental to the society I want to live in, that it’s my priority when I vote now.

WoodBeGreen · 22/11/2025 08:18

Jesus, what kind of dictator won't allow someone to work because of their sex? What a maniac Sad

RedToothBrush · 22/11/2025 08:10

Christmascats4 · 22/11/2025 07:57

Oh you should hear his views on career women .who in his view .abandon their babies in nursery..he dislikes his sister for this reason
And he told me years after I'd had DC ,that he was always going to gave a wife who stayed home as a SAHM .
Then I think back to all the childminders and nurserys we viewed and he refused..and how I am indeed a SAHM .
And he said if I get a job ,make sure it is enough to cover all bills and mortgage and Christmas and holidays.. because if I'm not prepared to stay home and look after the children he will pack his job in and look after them
Then ...he absolute corker he came out with ...when I got an interview to work with autistic young adults...he said ...what kind of woman leaves her own autistic children at home to go and look after some one else's .

You know he's emotionally and financially abusive, don't you?

And with that in mind you know you should be packing his bags for him, don't you?

This isn't about the green party, but it does highlight what type of man supports the green party.

TheBafflingIsGenerallyComplete · 22/11/2025 08:09

You can’t trust anyone who believes TWAW. It just shows that they are completely out of their tree.

StandbyLight · 22/11/2025 08:05

Christmascats4 · 22/11/2025 07:57

Oh you should hear his views on career women .who in his view .abandon their babies in nursery..he dislikes his sister for this reason
And he told me years after I'd had DC ,that he was always going to gave a wife who stayed home as a SAHM .
Then I think back to all the childminders and nurserys we viewed and he refused..and how I am indeed a SAHM .
And he said if I get a job ,make sure it is enough to cover all bills and mortgage and Christmas and holidays.. because if I'm not prepared to stay home and look after the children he will pack his job in and look after them
Then ...he absolute corker he came out with ...when I got an interview to work with autistic young adults...he said ...what kind of woman leaves her own autistic children at home to go and look after some one else's .

Who is 'he'?

cariadlet · 22/11/2025 08:04

LibbyOTV · 11/11/2025 10:10

Agreed OP. They're great on everything but this in my opinion. My view is that they are not going to have any sway on this issue, the tide has turned.

So I'm GC but have joined and will campaign cos overall their policies and the positive impact they will have on women, as well as other stuff, far outweighs stupid statements about transwomen which don't actually reflects the party's politics and how female dominated it had always been.

Don't get me wrong, some candidates I would NEVER support but the more I've been involved the more normal I see most greens are and many are like us and are just putting up with TWAW until it blows over which it will.

Meantime though we do need this left wing and hopeful voice on everything else as the climate crisis, poverty and far right need tackling

Only the right kind of women (ie the ones who think men can be women) are successful in the Green Party, at least at National level. Women in the Green Party who stand up for women's rights end up being suspended or expelled.

If you like the other policies but also care about women, please join Green Party Women and Green Women's Declaration to support the women fighting against the misogynistic, authoritarian TRAs in GPEW.

Christmascats4 · 22/11/2025 07:58

Sorry derailing the thread .. didn't mean to

Christmascats4 · 22/11/2025 07:57

Oh you should hear his views on career women .who in his view .abandon their babies in nursery..he dislikes his sister for this reason
And he told me years after I'd had DC ,that he was always going to gave a wife who stayed home as a SAHM .
Then I think back to all the childminders and nurserys we viewed and he refused..and how I am indeed a SAHM .
And he said if I get a job ,make sure it is enough to cover all bills and mortgage and Christmas and holidays.. because if I'm not prepared to stay home and look after the children he will pack his job in and look after them
Then ...he absolute corker he came out with ...when I got an interview to work with autistic young adults...he said ...what kind of woman leaves her own autistic children at home to go and look after some one else's .

RedToothBrush · 22/11/2025 07:48

Christmascats4 · 22/11/2025 07:38

When it comes to discussing anything to do with politics..he's a bully ..it's his way or no way .
He called me a fashished because I'd been reading about reform
He's lached on to green and decided they are the party to right all wrongs and won't hear a word against them.
He thinks the grooming scandal of British girls ,is no worse than Jimmy savil or prince Andrew and it's racist to keep racking it up
.to be honest I sometimes wonder who the hell I married.. because if he's had these opinions 30 years ,he's kept them well hid from me .
His view on trans rights are in line with green and his view on boarders are they should be open to anyone who wants to live here because we are all immigrants in one way or another depending how far you go back
He thinks empty houses should be taken off landlords and given to councils to distribute
and the royal family should have their wealth removed and given to new arrivals .
Considering he went to private school and enjoyed a childhood of immense privilege..I find it bizarre
But I stopped discussing anything with him after he said anyone who supported reform are racist and I was fachised for looking at their policies..
I'm not currently aligned to any political party..but I think I should be free to look at any political party in my own home without name calling

Does he have any redeeming features because he certainly doesn't respect you or think of you as an equal in any way.

I don't mind people having different views on this but this goes beyond that.

Christmascats4 · 22/11/2025 07:38

When it comes to discussing anything to do with politics..he's a bully ..it's his way or no way .
He called me a fashished because I'd been reading about reform
He's lached on to green and decided they are the party to right all wrongs and won't hear a word against them.
He thinks the grooming scandal of British girls ,is no worse than Jimmy savil or prince Andrew and it's racist to keep racking it up
.to be honest I sometimes wonder who the hell I married.. because if he's had these opinions 30 years ,he's kept them well hid from me .
His view on trans rights are in line with green and his view on boarders are they should be open to anyone who wants to live here because we are all immigrants in one way or another depending how far you go back
He thinks empty houses should be taken off landlords and given to councils to distribute
and the royal family should have their wealth removed and given to new arrivals .
Considering he went to private school and enjoyed a childhood of immense privilege..I find it bizarre
But I stopped discussing anything with him after he said anyone who supported reform are racist and I was fachised for looking at their policies..
I'm not currently aligned to any political party..but I think I should be free to look at any political party in my own home without name calling

captainoctopus · 21/11/2025 23:03

CraftyNavySeal · 21/11/2025 17:05

No because they oppose nuclear power, which is a deeply unserious position for a party that’s supposed to care about the impending climate doom.

Indeed. As baseline load it is an invaluable resource.
Sellafield has enough depleted uranium to supply the UK's electricity for the next 500 years if used in fast reactors.

BellaTrixLeStrange1 · 21/11/2025 22:07

LeftieRightsHoarder · 12/11/2025 23:25

I'm actually a Green Party member, and I don't vote for them any more. The environment and animal welfare come way down the agenda. Top priority (as far as I can see) is the transgenderist project of dismantling women's rights, followed by all the other tick-box currently fashionable causes. I wish they'd set up their own party instead of taking over the only one that used to prioritise our planet and all its inhabitants.

Edited

Completely agree with you. The Green Party used to be a cause for good, and had amazing people in it. Now the amazing people have either left or live in fear of being cancelled and so the tyranny is allowed to continue.

FallenSloppyDead2 · 21/11/2025 22:02

Vargas · 21/11/2025 21:54

Used to vote Green occasionally- wouldn’t touch them with a barge pole now.

Yes, me too. I will actively work against them in my constituency and vote whichever way seems most likely to keep them out. I don't want them getting into a position of influence if we get a hung parliament next time.

BellaTrixLeStrange1 · 21/11/2025 22:01

WoodBeGreen · 11/11/2025 20:04

The greens are much more than trans rights

Do they accept people in their party who want trans people to have the same rights as everyone else yet don't pretend that people can change sex?

I thought they actively tried to get rid of them - is that not correct?

You are correct - I have seen it first hand, and have tried to support people I know through their secret kangaroo courts that they use to kick people out (usually women). People who have been committed to the Party for their whole lives, and given everything to the cause, have had their lives ruined just because they won’t trot out TWAW like a robot. It’s a bit like when Henry V111 chopped off peoples heads for refusing to say that he was never really married to Katherine of Aragon.

Vargas · 21/11/2025 21:54

Used to vote Green occasionally- wouldn’t touch them with a barge pole now.

Waitwhat23 · 21/11/2025 21:47

Artmumcreative · 21/11/2025 20:54

How are they "shite at all things environmental" (I mean this as a genuine question)? No other party (in England, at least) seems to even think about the environment, or they pay lip service and send out some flyers with the colour green on xD
I lived in an impoverished area of Brighton a long time ago and felt like there were far too many cars in a city with a Green MP...

Apart from the debacle of Circularity Scotland, presided over by the astonishingly inept Lorna Slater (made a Junior Minister through the Bute Agreement though having not even won the seat in her own constituency) -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c709wvn70vwo.amp

The ridiculously ill thought out heat pumps scheme, championed by Patrick Harvie (also a Junior Minister as per the Bute Agreement, despite being a List MSP) which would have increased fuel poverty while installing pumps which, according to heat pump manufacturers, 'are unsuitable for the Scottish climate' and are unsuitable for both tenement living and rural living -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg43639zdg7o.amp

The fact that actual environmentalists such as Robin Harper and Andy Wightman left the Scottish Greens because of the party's obsession about independence and the GRR bill, the crushing of any dissent on such issues and the party's seeming lack of interest in environmental issues. Leaving the party with the two mentioned above, Maggie Chapman who presided over the ERCC while it 'harmed rape survivors', and the ridiculous student politics of Ross Greer.

These are just examples off the top of my head. There are broader issues in terms of their policies detrimentally affecting those living outwith big cities with good public transport links.

The current co-leaders of the Scottish Greens have openly said that 'anyone who does not accept that trans women are women has no place in their party'. So anyone who cares about the environment and climate change but won't bleat the required mantras is not welcome.

The Scottish Greens have fucked over their chance to make a real difference for environmental issues in deference to their adulation to a woman hating ideology.

David Harris, a man with white hair, wearing a dark suit and a blue tie, standing outside the Scottish parliament building in Edinburgh

Recycling scheme boss felt 'betrayed' by government - BBC News

David Harris says material facts about the deposit return scheme were kept from Circularity Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c709wvn70vwo.amp

BellaTrixLeStrange1 · 21/11/2025 21:35

I used to be a member and significant donor to the Green Party until they started to expel people who won’t sign up to the science-denying madness. And funnily enough pretty much all those people being kicked out of the Green Party seem to be either women and/or non-white people…. I’m actually trying to get them to refund to me all the money I have given them over the years, I don’t actually expect to get any of it back though! Lol! I don’t want to be associated with an organisation that silences women. No thank you!