Trans Liberation Group

And here comes the homophobia. And lesbophobia. Can’t wait for the misogyny. It’s almost like a script with some of the TRA posters.

I see Scuttle, the seagull from Little Mermaid.

Absolutely convinced he is an expert on the life of a group he is not a member of and has no experience or real knowledge about, confidentally sqwarking total bollocks as fact.

Like Scuttle's claims about humans, TRAs claims about women and sex are nothing more than bad projections and wrong conclusions drawn from disconnected observations only ever glimpsed at a distance and then distorted by their own sexist preconceptions.

"unprecedented threat"
"literal violence"
"risking suicide"

All hyperbolic rhetoric repeated ad infinitum and never backed up with actual data/statistics..

Nice try at bait. Can you explain exactly how people who are critical of gender ideology are attempting to deny anyone the same human rights that every person has? What specific universal rights are we attempting to restrict?

Honestly, I can make better arguments for Genderism than most of our TRAs can, and I don't even believe in it.

This is, of course, because I came to conclusions I have not by assuming I must be right but by asking "could I be wong?" and looking for whether the opposing arguments stand up logically, or facts I have missed change my understanding.

The same cannot be said of TRAs explaining the GC perspective. I have never ever seen any TRA accurately represent the GC position.

Which is quite a feat given that with the volume of TRA content sparpled all over the internet now, we must be getting reasonably close to an infinite monkey event 😂

This is not an oversight, but because if they did accurately represent us, it would be immediately obvious that the GC position is more openminded and less sexist than the supposedly progressive TRA one.

Thanks for starting this thread @BlueLegume.
I wasn't aware of this trans group and it's been interesting (?) to read about them and their demands. I imagine they chose "liberation" as it sounds so radical, so bold, so brave, like true freedom fighters. Well, okay, but if they could define what actual rights trans people don't currently have, it'd be a start.

Students are not like 'Wolfie' of Tooting. They never were, only a few unemployed 'hangers on'.

Some people suggest everything is racism, sexism, anti semitism, cancel culture, white genocide, immigrant invasion/replacement, grooming & on & on that the media as a whole broadly enable. But yeah, it's only the BBC who gild the lily..

I am legally entitled to sex based protections. You don’t get to consent for me. That’s not how it works.

I would suggest trans activists campaign for their own space.

Sadly with zero coherent logic to any of your points.

Perhaps a function of limited comprehension?

The SC and the IOC have made it clear trans women have no place in women’s sport. what are your views on this?

I agree with them that more science is required & until then they shouldn't be included in elite women's sports.

"Trans women are men. I am allowed to have that opinion. It does not make me transphobic."

No one is suggesting stating trans women are biologically 'male' is transphobia. What's transphobic in the true sense of 'a phobia' is an irrational fear of them.

"No debate means a one-sided debate, which no one should be advocating. This also applies to lobby groups and activists. Debate is healthy."

So are you suggesting the basic human rights of blacks, jews, women, gays are 'debate' worthy let alone 'healthy'? . There's this thing in Human Rights called 'inalienable rights' or 'natural rights' we are all entitled to.

"I agree, not all men are rapists but the majority of violence against women is by males."

Not all men & women offend at the same rate. Younger, poorer, straight men offend at substantially higher rates than older, wealthier gay men. Lesbians offend at substantially higher rates than straight women. And studies show lesbians offend at much higher rates than gay men. See where this is going?

I'm just left thinking that I hope somebody has better arguments to explain gender ideology, because it would be so distressing if the police, prison services, law courts, and government had been guided for so long by such poor reasoning.

Does everyone else see some posters posts and just picture the teacher from Charlie Brown. Apart from the word salad, there’s the total lack of facts and coherency.

If it's any comfort, I qualify as a 'biddy' & a rather feisty one at that ….😆

So ^ firstly I am not in an echo chamber - lazy on your part in my opinion to suggest I am. ^

If you re read my comment, you will find I did not say you were. Rather another commenter was attempting to encourage you to. Big difference.

" When the trans activists ramped up their campaigns they literally used ‘no debate’ as a tagline. Why?"

The sentiment of 'no debate' is in the context of the absurdity of 'debating' human rights: That trans people's right exist & exist equally shouldn't be a topic of 'debate' because it is a human right.

"As one of my earlier posts stated I am gender critical. I do not believe anyone can change sex but I am adult enough to appreciate some people feel they need to present as the opposite sex. That is fine - just appreciate my space as my space and respect that as a biological female I want privacy away from men, however they present."

As do trans women.

And its important to note regarding public toilets, that one's privacy, is another's loss of privacy in terms of the trade off for the scrutiny & harassment all women & particularly gender non conforming ones will be subjected to by the 'transvestigator' police for what? 0.5%of the population?

"I am also interested in your understanding of AGP men. They seem to have exploded, no pun intended, into the workplace and society over the past 10 to 15 years. Why? If you want to cross dress fill your boots. But dragging, pun intended, it into every day life is pushing boundaries especially where children are concerned and the ‘be kind’ mantra has been used as a virtue signal that if we don’t accept what is at some level a fetish then we are ‘unkind’."

That individuals with fetishes exist doesn't impugn all trans people nor does it provide any certainty for the cause of gender dysphoria.

Are sexual perversions on the increase generally? I certainly suspect they are given the power of the porn industry. I heard a stat the other day that its estimated 1 in 100 men are now attracted to children. Horrifying. Should this impugn all men? Obviously not.

The 2 leaders of Your Party attending events on the same day. Male/female ratio seems a tiny bit off...

Hello @Keeptoiletssafe glad you've joined the thread, I always value your contributions and you are so clear thinking with explanations as to why it's so important for single sex services.

I think you're right that they've picked liberation because it sounds like victims fighting for freedom, but if we know anything about the trans movement it's that the words they use to describe things rarely if ever map onto any real meaning!

trans people don't have the right to use basic public utilities of their choice like everyone else

They have exactly the same right as every other man (for transwomen) or woman (for transman) - as a transwoman is a man - they simply wander into the gents - oooh look, toilets!

There is a legal right to be protected from certain forms of discrimination in both national & human rights law.

Good thing there is such little discrimination - it is not discrimination to tell people they can't have everything / be everything they demand (try looking after a toddler for a bit!)

The incidents alleged by Dr Upton happened before the UK Supreme Court ruled that a woman is defined by biological sex under equalities law.

Oh - you mean before the Supreme Court confirmed the law that had already existed for 10+ years - that law that was being breached!?!