Trans Liberation Group

I am increasingly concerned that the trans community have been infiltrated by AGP males

Surely AGP males are at the core of the trans movement, and always have been? Isn't it based on male sex fetishism? The women involved seem very different -- confused and unhappy rather than glorying in 'trans joy'.

Hi, I came across these posts about queer people supporting Palestine and as a queer supporter of Palestine I want to make something very clear. My railing against the genocide and killing of children there is not contingent on their support of my lifestyle. That's not how making moral choices works. What is happening there is affecting queer people too - we exist everywhere no matter a government's stance on our existence. Those people do not deserve bombing and starvation. If you have a quick Google about the actual 'laws' surrounding being LGBTQ+ in Palestine, they might contradict your expectations too!

If you are truly interested in the safety of women then please look into the actual number of assaults in women's only spaces in the UK carried out by trans women. You will find nothing - I'd like to draw your attention to actual sexual assaults carried out by men (around 98% of them): there is much work to be done. When we demonise trans women, we blame one of the most marginalised groups in the UK for actual harm done by men - we put under threat the bodily autonomy of cis women (female at birth) who do not fit into societies standards of what a woman should be/look like. This disproportionately affects women of colour and has already lead to the humiliation and abuse of gender-non conforming women (butch lesbians, to name one group) in toilets. These arguments also leave a gaping hole when it comes to trans men (female at birth, now male), who in this instance will need to use female toilets. In the way that trans women are often indistinguishable from cis women, trans men often look like 'blokes' - this will make 'sneaking into the toilet by men who say they are trans' completely doable under the guise of being 'trans men'. Do you see how silly this is now?

Only 0.5% of people in the UK are trans. They want to be able to live their lives with dignity.

It's really important when we are considering 'arguments' like this we are radically honest with ourselves abut what we are hoping to find - and whether those hopes hinge on our comfortability around things we haven't experienced ourselves! If there's something you don't understand - ask! I hope this helps.

I’ll come back as I have given some thought to this now. I actually feel some sympathy for the group TBH. I am gender critical, I do not believe trans women are women or that trans men are men. I support their right to live as they feel as long as it does not impact me. I do not want a man in my spaces.

I am increasingly concerned that the trans community have been infiltrated by AGP males and am interested as to how the media will start to raise this issue.

My sympathy for this new liberation group is that people like ZS are not truly supportive-I cannot prove that I am aware. It just seems quite opportunistic of her to get people on board for Your Party. Akin to Zak Polanski stating he believes women can have male genitalia.

Utter tosh from beginning to end.

Hi, I came across these posts about queer people supporting Palestine and as a queer supporter of Palestine I want to make something very clear. My railing against the genocide and killing of children there is not contingent on their support of my lifestyle. That's not how making moral choices works. What is happening there is affecting queer people too - we exist everywhere no matter a government's stance on our existence. Those people do not deserve bombing and starvation. If you have a quick Google about the actual 'laws' surrounding being LGBTQ+ in Palestine, they might contradict your expectations too!

If you are truly interested in the safety of women then please look into the actual number of assaults in women's only spaces in the UK carried out by trans women. You will find nothing - I'd like to draw your attention to actual sexual assaults carried out by men (around 98% of them): there is much work to be done. When we demonise trans women, we blame one of the most marginalised groups in the UK for actual harm done by men - we put under threat the bodily autonomy of cis women (female at birth) who do not fit into societies standards of what a woman should be/look like. This disproportionately affects women of colour and has already lead to the humiliation and abuse of gender-non conforming women (butch lesbians, to name one group) in toilets. These arguments also leave a gaping hole when it comes to trans men (female at birth, now male), who in this instance will need to use female toilets. In the way that trans women are often indistinguishable from cis women, trans men often look like 'blokes' - this will make 'sneaking into the toilet by men who say they are trans' completely doable under the guise of being 'trans men'. Do you see how silly this is now?

Only 0.5% of people in the UK are trans. They want to be able to live their lives with dignity.

It's really important when we are considering 'arguments' like this we are radically honest with ourselves abut what we are hoping to find - and whether those hopes hinge on our comfortability around things we haven't experienced ourselves! If there's something you don't understand - ask! I hope this helps.

I can only speak for myself obv but, for me, as a woman I'm extremely fucking insulted when told I have to accept men as women or that men have a right to define what a woman is. That is one of my main gripes with the whole trans thing, when were we consulted about changing our definition?

It is also important to remember that men cannot be women. Full disclosure I came to that conclusion myself without AI.

Just a quick reminder 'It's really important when we are considering 'arguments' like this' is straight out of AI.

Anything that says 'It is important to remember' is AI written.

Just a quick reminder 'It's really important when we are considering 'arguments' like this' is straight out of AI.

Anything that says 'It is important to remember' is AI written.

One can imagine every thread having a wee MRA plopper as a sort of anti-mascot.

"As one of my earlier posts stated I am gender critical. I do not believe anyone can change sex but I am adult enough to appreciate some people feel they need to present as the opposite sex. That is fine - just appreciate my space as my space and respect that as a biological female I want privacy away from men, however they present."

As do trans women.

Transwomen are not able to have privacy away from men - everywhere they go they take a man with them...

Also, there are certain things it is reasonable to expect of society or even demand in some cases - but demanding the impossible is probably over that boundary... It doesn't matter what is said / how eloquent or logical the discussion (and sadly it is rarely that!) underlying it all - a man is a man. So a transwoman is simply a man in a frock with or without bodily mutilation... To make decisions therefore, it is completely reasonable to consider them as men, because they are - we don't need to sub-categorise men - it would be as logical as loos for blond men or loos for those who are left-handed, or loos for those below 5'5" - in fact the latter might be more logical - you could have lower urinals!

As a transwoman can never be anything other than a man - so they ready have their own space with other men - if they don't like that, tough, society can not be expected to deal with every like and dislike... provision of a space for blokes and a space for women is sufficient - alternative toilets for the disabled who have special requirements is absolutely a reasonable adaptation - special loos and spaces for men who want to pretend to be women - absolute nonsense!

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"Trans women are men. I am allowed to have that opinion. It does not make me transphobic."

No one is suggesting stating trans women are biologically 'male' is transphobia. What's transphobic in the true sense of 'a phobia' is an irrational fear of them.

Hurrah - about the most logical thing I have read from this poster - absolutely correct in the meaning of phobia... now take the English lesson that little bit further - transphobia would be fear of trans - as it is biologically impossible for anyone to transition, and as we know from repeated postings on here, you can't even transition gender (you simply expand the definition of your own gender), therefore there is fundamentally no such thing as trans - it is not possible.

ergo - not possible to be transphobic...