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Webberly Vs Joyce

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CassOle · 10/11/2025 14:49

https://nitter.poast.org/mollylguinness/status/1987891680964493390#m

'Join us for the Times Radio Gender Debate at 9pm on 20th November @HJoyceGender debates @HelenWebberley, presented by @Jo_Coburn live on @TimesRadio and on our YouTube channel.'

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MimiGC · 11/11/2025 11:08

I would pay good money to see this debate, but, like others, I think Webberley might pull out.

ILikeDungs · 11/11/2025 10:50

Greyskybluesky · 10/11/2025 23:35

India
Howse
Nadia Witless

would be my 3

How about:

Lewis Goodall of The News Agents
Zack Polanski of the Green Party
Ed Davey Lib Dems

I bought tickets, years ago, for a debate between Helen Joyce and Grace Lavery and of course the fragrant Grace backed out. The organisers had already arranged the venue so they changed the night to highlight and interview sex-realist men and women fighting for their rights through the courts. It was a great evening! If HW backs out I hope Times Radio still feature Helen Joyce in some way.

OldCrone · 11/11/2025 09:44

I think I recall reading about the move into trans medicine was a pivot from a completely different field of private medicine, indicating a ‘following the money’ motivation.

She was previously involved with something called shadow prescribing, where she managed to get NHS-priced drugs sent to American patients. Mentioned in this thread about the Webberleys.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3588654-dr-mike-webberley-suspended

Brainworm · 11/11/2025 09:31

My money is on this being a grift and she is trying to make money from clicks.

I wonder what fee she is getting? I think the more ridiculous she appears in a debate, the more clicks she will subsequently get. There is a big social media audience for people unravelling (Brittany Spears) and money to be made from eyeballs on social media feeds.

I think I recall reading about the move into trans medicine was a pivot from a completely different field of private medicine, indicating a ‘following the money’ motivation.

She’s given up trying to practice medicine and presenting as she needed to for her disciplinary hearings and is pivoting again in the only way possible now her medical credentials are
discredited.

Seriestwo · 11/11/2025 08:54

Didn’t she say in her disciplinary that she was taught by Susie Green? There isn’t a course for a GP to learn how to become an expert about gender, so Susie Green taught her everything she knows. Which might explain why she has now de registered as a GP, they can’t further discipline her. I am not a doctor though, I might have missed a point

Shedmistress · 11/11/2025 08:15

Aparecium · 11/11/2025 06:34

She really is a sandwich short of a picnic: https://twitter.com/HelenWebberley/status/1985361322683564326

She is a picnic, a checked blanket, a basket, a tree, and a field in which to sit on short of a picnic.

BonfireLady · 11/11/2025 06:42

Helleofabore · 11/11/2025 05:45

I suspect that she is relying on clicks these days and that tweet of hers yesterday was pure click bait. Unless she is having significant impairment issues, I cannot believe she thinks that tweet was even coherent.

Possibly so.

TBF, I don't mind donating to Operation Let Them Speak if that's her main income these days. It's quite the public service that she's doing and hopefully it's an indication that she's not spreading anywhere near as much "care" as she has done previously 🤞

BonfireLady · 11/11/2025 06:38

Hicc · 11/11/2025 00:48

Can't wait. Webberley is absolutely barking, even more so in contrast to Helen's calm, rational truth telling.

Some classic evidence-based Webberley here, enjoy!
www.instagram.com/reel/DQJbeahiEBK/?igsh=NXVjbjFkb292Z2o2

Amazing. Admitting she didn't acquire her knowledge from books is quite something 😂

Memoryhole · 11/11/2025 06:35

Datun · 10/11/2025 23:19

Also, what on earth is she thinking? I honestly don't understand why she would even agree to debating Helen Joyce.

And if she pulls out, what was the point of agreeing in the first place?

Putting make up on one eye might make you non binary?

that way you have one male and one female eye. You could use the male eye for watching football and the female one for finding spinny skirts?

Aparecium · 11/11/2025 06:34

She really is a sandwich short of a picnic: https://twitter.com/HelenWebberley/status/1985361322683564326

PastaAllaNorma · 11/11/2025 06:06

A battle of wits, but one combatant is unarmed.

FragilityOfCups · 11/11/2025 05:54

thirdfiddle · 11/11/2025 02:22

Publicity. She doesn't care what the world thinks, she doesn't care what we think. Her bread and butter is in the brainwashed TRA world, and her having her name down for this will generate lots of twitter and reddit posts. Then either she's performatively offended and doesn't turn up, or she turns up and is performatively offended. Either way she scores points with the people who are going to give her money.

Bang on.

I am looking forward to more of the world getting to hear the gender side as articulated by HW... she really is persuasive, although perhaps not in the way she imagines

Helleofabore · 11/11/2025 05:45

I suspect that she is relying on clicks these days and that tweet of hers yesterday was pure click bait. Unless she is having significant impairment issues, I cannot believe she thinks that tweet was even coherent.

thirdfiddle · 11/11/2025 02:22

Datun · 10/11/2025 23:19

Also, what on earth is she thinking? I honestly don't understand why she would even agree to debating Helen Joyce.

And if she pulls out, what was the point of agreeing in the first place?

Publicity. She doesn't care what the world thinks, she doesn't care what we think. Her bread and butter is in the brainwashed TRA world, and her having her name down for this will generate lots of twitter and reddit posts. Then either she's performatively offended and doesn't turn up, or she turns up and is performatively offended. Either way she scores points with the people who are going to give her money.

Mollyollydolly · 11/11/2025 01:33

She was on Times Radio with Andrew Neil a few months ago and he eviscerated her. He was so well briefed, it was brilliant.

thecalmsea · 11/11/2025 00:58

I can't decide who is more bonkers, her, or willoughby?

Hicc · 11/11/2025 00:48

Can't wait. Webberley is absolutely barking, even more so in contrast to Helen's calm, rational truth telling.

Some classic evidence-based Webberley here, enjoy!
www.instagram.com/reel/DQJbeahiEBK/?igsh=NXVjbjFkb292Z2o2

WellOrganisedWoman · 11/11/2025 00:34

I kind of want Webberly to turn up and froth incoherent vitriol in unhinged fashion. I’m sure I read a study in the difference in perception when same words same emotion but it’s a male or female voice saying them.

Its why men - regardless of appearance or gender identify being unhinged TRAs spouting madness get less of a hounding than women.

I wonder where TIF with voice changes from testosterone would sit in perception.

WellOrganisedWoman · 11/11/2025 00:26

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 10/11/2025 19:34

Webberley will pull out.

Shame the sperm donator of unknown gender didn’t.

Rimshot Drum Joke GIF
Seriestwo · 11/11/2025 00:16

Will she be doing her ironing?

Mollyollydolly · 10/11/2025 23:53

If she shows up at least she wont be flashing her bollox.

frazzled1 · 10/11/2025 23:42

Blistering takedown of her bonkers Olympic tweet 😄
https://x.com/HelenWebberley/status/1987886811591344491
Here in all its glory...

Sex in humans is a binary construct, determined at conception by the presence of XX or XY chromosomes, a reality corroborated by every shred of genetic and physiological evidence known to modern science.

The NIH in its exhaustive reviews, affirms that individuals born with XY chromosomes...equipped with testes, higher bone density, and a skeletal structure optimized for greater muscle mass...undergo male puberty, conferring permanent advantages such as 48% greater muscle strength and 20-30% higher aerobic capacity, even after a year of testosterone suppression, as documented in the 2021 British Journal of Sports Medicine study.

This is not conjecture; it is the cold, hard gospel of empirical data, etched in the annals of peer-reviewed research.

Now, let us turn our withering gaze upon Webberley’s risible claim that these individuals are "female and always have been," their birth certificates mere clerical errors to be corrected with a flourish of bureaucratic hoop-jumping.
This is not medicine; it is a malodorous heap of ideological horseshit, a desperate attempt to rewrite reality with the ink of subjective fantasy.

The International Olympic Committee (IOC), in its recent scientific review presented on November 10, 2025, by Dr. Jane Thornton, has unequivocally demonstrated that transgender women who underwent male puberty retain physiological advantages...advantages that no amount of estrogen therapy or legal legerdemain can erase.

Cases like Laurel Hubbard’s dismal performance at Tokyo 2020 and Imane Khelif’s controversial 2024 gold medal underscore the inequity, prompting the IOC to contemplate a ban on transgender women in female categories, a decision grounded in the sanctity of fair competition rather than the sanctimonious bleating of gender apologists.

Webberley’s assertion that these individuals are excluded due to "sodding hoops" is a pathetic deflection, a cowardly evasion of the truth that their exclusion stems from the incontrovertible science of sexual dimorphism.

The World Athletics and International Swimming Federation have already enacted policies barring transgender women who experienced male puberty from female competition, citing studies showing that testosterone suppression beyond 12 months fails to level the playing field...a finding echoed by the IOC’s impending policy shift.

To suggest otherwise is to indulge in a delusional wankfest of denial, a intellectual masturbation session that insults the integrity of every athlete who trains under the constraints of their natural biology.

Webberley, through her GenderGP enterprise, has profited handsomely from affirming gender-distressed youth, dispensing hormones with the reckless abandon of a carnival barker peddling snake oil.

Her refusal to acknowledge the potential for detransition...where individuals revert to their natal sex after realizing the irreversible damage of her interventions...exposes her as a moral cretin, a mercenary quack willing to sacrifice the well-being of vulnerable minds on the altar of her ideological crusade.

The thread’s rejoinders, from Jennifer Gingrich’s trenchant defense of biological reality to Brianna Wu’s poignant admission of unfair competitive disadvantage, lay bare the absurdity of Webberley’s position with the clarity of a guillotine’s blade.

In conclusion, Dr. Webberley requires not merely a head examination but a full cranial exorcism to purge the demonic possession of her benighted worldview.

Her arguments are a festering cesspool of pseudoscientific twaddle, a grotesque parody of medical ethics that should be met with the scorn it so richly deserves.

The facts stand as an impregnable fortress against her feeble sallies, and any who cling to her delusions are doomed to wallow in the mire of their own intellectual bankruptcy.

Now, begone with your holy botherations, and let the light of reason prevail.

Dr Helen Webberley (she/her) (@HelenWebberley) on X

They weren’t fucking ‘born male’, they are female and always have been, and are now being excluded because their birth certificate was written wrongly and they have so many sodding hoops to jump through to correct it. There. https://t.co/pjOoBKckhh

https://x.com/HelenWebberley/status/1987886811591344491

Greyskybluesky · 10/11/2025 23:35

ILikeDungs · 10/11/2025 22:19

If (when) HW backs out we will lose the opportunity to hear HJ on Times Radio, so quick-- let's work out who might replace HW and give Jo Coburn the list.

India
Howse
Nadia Witless

would be my 3

quantumbutterfly · 10/11/2025 23:31

Bagamama · 10/11/2025 23:22

I've just seen her bonkers Olympic tweet.

If she appears on the radio it will be like shooting fish in a barrel.

Clownfish?

murasaki · 10/11/2025 23:29

No way she'll show, she will claim she's been threatened or something. I do hope it's available afterwards.