Criticism of Islam is a protected belief

Do you understand that it is not ok or democratic to have a law that outlaws criticism of any religion?

A lot of people think that "democracy" means "rule of the majority".

It doesn't.

It means "rule of the people". Subtly different.

Every single page, aloud so no skipping, from the start of Genesis to the end of Revelation. Catholic bible, so including the 7 books Luther excised. No paedophilia, no other incest.

So no response to being called out over your ridiculous and frankly disgusting comparison of the US to Afghanistan and your condoned that you would be similarly restricted to Afghan Winn and shock, horror not be allowed to wear jeans in America?? All in your quest to ‘own the Christian’s’ or something.

Do you understand that it is not ok or democratic to have a law that outlaws criticism of any religion? And that currently there is only one religion whose representatives are demanding that?

I suppose it feels a lot better finding a new point of detail to argue than admitting to oneself you have no arguments.

People understand clearly the concept of British Isles, I am not doing a scientific presentation, I am giving an opinion on MN (while on the go and on a mobile) that suddenly veered into general history. British Isles will do just fine 😋

It's a quirk of English, I suppose.

Weirdly it's one fundamental part of British history the flagshaggers haven't gotten in a lather about. Which considering how passionate they are about history (sorry, "history") odd.; It's almost as if they are thick as pigshit.

Oh and thank you for explaining that.
Funny enough it’s only recently that I have started seeing BCE and wondered what it meant.

Which one ?

Christianity was around in Britain waaaaaaay before 600AD and Augustine (I am guessing that's the PPs drift).

Obviously it was suppressed (well, you'd have to) but when Augustine rocked up at Canterbury to convert the "Angels" (and religious jokes never really got much better) they kept on knocking on doors saying "can we tell you about Jesus ?" to be met with "What about him ? We've been worshipping him for centuries).

Of course Celtic Christianity elevated women and allowed them to be priests. Now I am not saying that is why it's not "remembered" but it does seem a tad misogynistic.

Have you read the bible?

Better not to use the term 'British Isles' at all, but certainly not outside the period the English were attempting to colonise Ireland.

The first Irish king to be baptised was Óengus mac Nad Froích (430-489) of Munster, baptised at Cashel by Patrick.

Ok I see.

In a secular society, any person of faith should be free to lobby for law changes inspired by that faith.

Indeed. It's a hallmark of being a liberal democracy. I totally agree.

And it's up to government to resist,

Why "resist" ? They could be very sensible changes that many in society would support. I don't care where your goof idea comes from, if it's a good idea (same with my politics).

The whole point is the delicate balance between the mass and the marginal.

A true democracy would be nice should recognise that as best it can.

Oh, do tell about the incest and paedophilia.

Lots's daughters taking advantage of his drunkenness to impregnate themselves was incest, yes, sure, but anything else?

It's a myth about survival after disaster btw.

Moral sense that would guided by some religious dude.

Isn't it up to 12 weeks in Italy?

I refer you to that weird weird world of the Greeks (for example) ... they saw no evil or moral deficiency in exposing babies to the wild as as religious practice. They would be as baffled by your stance as you by theirs.

Which is why "western culture" cannot escape the fact it was birthed in a Christian view of the world. Which isn't necessarily the only one. Which has always been a problem when it insists it is .....

Separation of church and state. After a fashion.

really I should have said appropriate.

Having been schooled in BC/AD, and not really getting a memo about the change (see also: Peking) I'm not dogmatic about it (truth be told I only bought it up because I was being hit over the head with "facts" that called out for a snark).

However, using a Christian-centric dating system does rather underscore the cultural fascism of The West. Especially when you realise that the vast majority of the world have very little knowledge of, or interest in, a random supposed prophets birth over two millennia ago. It's also disregarding the fact that for a lot of people in The West today, by dint of not being even vaguely Christian, it speaks of a "Lord" they may not wish to support.

Where as "Common Era" is very much a secular drop in. No numeric conversion needed, and it reflects that regardless of the religious aspect, that dating system has marked most of European and Western history as it is recorded.

Given how much I have written, I can't begin to express how little I care whether someone uses BC/AD or BCE/CE. Although for the sake of my undiagnosed conditions, please be consistent 😀

There are many devout Muslims in the UK who don't break the law, don't proselytise, and accept that in this country there are multiple beliefs and unbeliefs, with a degree of honest dialogue between them as to what constitutes a good society. Why is this not secularism? Is there a universal tenet of Islam that British Muslims are disobeying

There isn't space in this margin to go into the history of Islam and it's various facets since Mohammed. Shia, Sunni the Abbasid, the Umayyad (from memory)

Some Muslims are perfectly happy with the fact that their faith is not ti be used to advance secular agendas. Other Muslims would say they are not (proper) Muslims and start a barney. With no top Muslim - unlike Christians, who have the Pope - then arbitration is always going to be ephemeral.

And for the hard of thinking I was being ironic in suggesting the Pope is the font of all Christian dogma in the world. As many many many countries - including by not limited to Britain - will testify.

What you affirmed and need to prove is that Islam was present in the UK before Christianism.

Did I ?

Did I really ?

You don't need to be a Christian to have some moral sense that there do need to be some limits to abortion.

Some, yes, because that is what happens in a democracy. People have freedom of speech and conscience.