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maltravers · 10/11/2025 13:18

Oh and apparently “sources” are saying the problem is the Board playing politics and the BBC is impartial. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

WarriorN · 10/11/2025 13:17

Yes she’s pissing me off; talk about spin

maltravers · 10/11/2025 13:15

According to Katie Razzle (BBC media correspondent) on News At One, the problem is news wasn’t allowed to respond to the Trump claims (although they wanted to!) and it’s all been bundled together. No bias really! Nothing to see here.

WarriorN · 10/11/2025 13:15

Worth listening to World at 1 on radio 4; there’s a lot more about the trans and Gaza bias. Trump seems to be “mistake” but wasn’t sorted out quickly enough.

the rest of the issues Prescott raised are clear bias

someone interviewed is claiming they’ve taken action on the latter

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 10/11/2025 13:12

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SionnachRuadh · 10/11/2025 13:12

I think the BBC needs a Come To Jesus moment, but for that to happen, there has to be a critical mass of people who recognise there's a problem.

Tim Davie was appointed by Boris Johnson. This was 2020 vintage Boris Johnson, while Dominic Cummings was still in No10 and before Boris surrendered to the Blob. Part of Tim's remit was to reduce the bias. That proved to be impossible. Any time there was a move to reduce the bias, the newsroom went apeshit, so the path of least resistance was to let things carry on as they were.

They were discussing this on the Today programme with former Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger, which kind of illustrates the problem. Rusbridger is not the ideal person to have on here, partly because he will reliably say the BBC doesn't have a serious bias problem, partly because of the revolving door of staff between the BBC and the Guardian, and partly because, when it comes to journalistic standards, Rusbridger was the editor who allowed Roy Greenslade to smear a rape survivor to do a favour for Greenslade's pals in Sinn Fein.

An organisation that thinks it needs to hear the wisdom of Alan Rusbridger at this moment is an organisation that doesn't want to reform.

nauticant · 10/11/2025 13:09

The "not institutionally biased" line is also present in the apology given by the Chairman to the Culture, Media, and Sports select committee and is being backed by No.10.

38thparallel · 10/11/2025 13:04

but outgoing CEO of News Deborah Turness has said this morning the organisation "is not institutionally biased".

What a surprise. This is yet another example of the BBC just denying and dismissing any criticism.

WarriorN · 10/11/2025 12:46

It sounds like Nick knows an awful lot about all of this

https://x.com/nickwallis/status/1987857528064024777?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

Tim Davies Resigns - Can Gender Critical Movement take some credit?
Tim Davies Resigns - Can Gender Critical Movement take some credit?
Abhannmor · 10/11/2025 12:37

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 10/11/2025 11:33

You can draw a clear line connecting political hot potatoes of the past decade like the Post Office Scandal, Grooming Scandal, Grenfell to the same sort of problem. All have similar features about why these issues continued - it was about the institution being more concerned about the institution and protecting itself rather than addressing problems and dealing with how it was impacting on those it had a duty of case to - it's about powerful people versus the people. It's about institutional power being used against grassroots.

This - there was lot else in that post I agreed with but this the constant silencing and dissmissing of concerns to protect instutions has now been a thing for decades and it errodes trust just as widely which is frankly danergous for society.

I also wonder if it's why there seems such disconnect between poltcians and people - we are in a better state than USA mainly thanks to our current constituency system - welsh Senedd reforms around proportional closed list system and reducing the number of constituencies to 16 worry me as that link with voters is erroded and seem obvious way of group think taking hold.

I used to care passionately about having the BBC - now much less bothered currently.

I live in the Republic of Ireland which has always used PR. Like yourself I am totally opposed to any " closed list ' system. They sound very opaque and a recipe for corruption. We have multi member constituencies. Members are elected by a single Transferable Vote. It is very simple and proportionate. The Senedd should avoid this banana skin at all costs.

sandgreen · 10/11/2025 12:28

Woman’s Hour mentioned the resignations at the top of the show today - and asked for listeners’ opinions!

Unless I missed it they did not return to the subject today so may revisit in the week. In case anyone thinks it worthwhile making a contribution…

YouCantProveIt · 10/11/2025 12:03

Cath Deng has done a great interview with the times this morning.

She mentions an update last week from Turness on trans rights before she resigned at the weekend.

However, she unexpectedly received an email from Turness last week informing her: “I am happy to assure you that we fully agree that biological sex is real and that is reflected in our editorial approach.”

https://www.thetimes.com/article/256ff6c3-cbea-4416-b4e5-fa4fc8aa9e26?shareToken=426ffa04283d20b2358c26bf1f6e0ee2

thanks to @shinyhappytits for share token

BBC is not institutionally biased, says News chief Deborah Turness

The corporation is expected to apologise on Monday for broadcasting a doctored clip of a speech by President Trump — who has welcomed the resignation of Tim Davie

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/media/article/tim-davie-quit-bbc-director-general-bias-xf83fznfp

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EdithStourton · 10/11/2025 12:01

Interesting article, @SionnachRuadh- thank you.

SionnachRuadh · 10/11/2025 11:55

Anthony Browne raises the problem of centralised editorial control, which is important - the BBC's size would be less of an issue if it didn't have a single editorial line across the whole organisation.

Why the BBC keeps getting it wrong | The Spectator

Damnthetorpedoes · 10/11/2025 11:52

Worth repeating.

The leaked memo that sparked last night’s resignations was not only critical of one edit in a Panorama documentary about Donald Trump.
In the full dossier, published by the Telegraph, former independent adviser Michael Prescott highlights several - in his words - "troubling matters".

Here’s a summary of the main claims written by Prescott in the memo:

  • "Anti-Trump" bias: Prescott says the BBC’s coverage of the 2024 US election was more critical of Donald Trump than of his opponent, Kamala Harris - including a misleading edit of a speech Trump delivered on 6 January 2021
  • "Ill-researched" stories on racism: He says the BBC had published "ill-researched material that suggested issues of racism when there were none", including in a now-removed BBC Verify story about car insurance
  • Too few push alerts on migration and asylum seekers: There was a "selection bias" against sending stories about migration and asylum seekers to BBC News app users as push notifications, Prescott says
  • "One-sided" transgender coverage: He says the BBC had often published stories "celebrating the trans experience without adequate balance or objectivity" and had ignored certain voices
  • Anti-Israel bias in BBC Arabic: Several contributors to the BBC’s Arabic service selectively covered stories that were critical of Israel, Prescott writes
  • Broader issues in Gaza coverage: His other criticisms include misrepresenting the percentage of Palestinian women and children who have been killed by Israel’s military, and misrepresenting the likelihood of children starving under Israel's aid blockade

The BBC has not yet responded directly to the publication of this memo, but outgoing CEO of News Deborah Turness has said this morning the organisation "is not institutionally biased".

StandbyLight · 10/11/2025 11:40

Times Radio are leading their news bulletins with this discussion, highlighting trans bias as much as other issues.

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 10/11/2025 11:33

You can draw a clear line connecting political hot potatoes of the past decade like the Post Office Scandal, Grooming Scandal, Grenfell to the same sort of problem. All have similar features about why these issues continued - it was about the institution being more concerned about the institution and protecting itself rather than addressing problems and dealing with how it was impacting on those it had a duty of case to - it's about powerful people versus the people. It's about institutional power being used against grassroots.

This - there was lot else in that post I agreed with but this the constant silencing and dissmissing of concerns to protect instutions has now been a thing for decades and it errodes trust just as widely which is frankly danergous for society.

I also wonder if it's why there seems such disconnect between poltcians and people - we are in a better state than USA mainly thanks to our current constituency system - welsh Senedd reforms around proportional closed list system and reducing the number of constituencies to 16 worry me as that link with voters is erroded and seem obvious way of group think taking hold.

I used to care passionately about having the BBC - now much less bothered currently.

Damnthetorpedoes · 10/11/2025 11:33

Nandy’s changing her tune pretty sharpish….

The Culture Secretary has attacked the BBC’s “entirely inconsistent” reporting standards amid the bias scandal engulfing the broadcaster.

On Sunday, Lisa Nandy claimed the BBC’s editorial decisions were not always “well thought through” and fell short of the “highest” expectations.

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 10/11/2025 11:24

Is it the BBC Trans desk that constantly ensures that TQIA+ is force teamed with LGB in news reports?

EdithStourton · 10/11/2025 11:05

I am very much in favour of having an independent broadcaster funded by a model that doesn't depend on either advertising or catering to what is popular. I used to love the BBC: it managed to piss off people on both sides of just about every debate, which indicated, to me at least, that it was doing its job.

Now... not so much.
This is a bit off-topic, and because I don't pay the licence fee I haven't been able to watch the clip, but there was recently a discussion on electric collars for dogs on a morning news show. There was a passing mention that some people/trainers remain in favour of them. There were four guests brought in for their opinions:
A vet, who had once seen. dog that had been e-collar trained and had bitten (as if dogs never bite otherwise...) and opposed e-collars on that basis
An academic, who produced a very contested piece of research about how e-collars are no better than positive reinforcement, which has been widely critiqued by other academics for small sample size, lack of blinding, multiple confounds etc
A bod from Dogs Trust, which has been trying to get e-collars banned for decades
A dog owner, with no experience of e-collars, just feels and opinions

There are dozens, if not 100s, of articulate trainers in the UK who use e-collars to handle issues like livestock predation who could have been asked to come on. There are 100s if not 1000s of dog owners with experience of e-collar use who could have been asked to bring their happy, well-mannered dogs onto the show... but nope.

Every person who objected to this piece seems to have been sent the same form letter which says in part that 'while the BBC is required to demonstrate due impartiality [...] there is no requirement to give all views equal weight.'

Quite how you can be 'impartial' when your guest ratio is 4 to zero is a bit beyond me.
(PS Not wanting to get into a row about e-collars, only citing this as an example of how far from impartial the BBC has become.)

Abhannmor · 10/11/2025 10:44

RobustPastry · 10/11/2025 09:40

This is not a GC win. This thread is really really overestimating the impact of (what felt like) the blanket positive reporting and tone on gender identity issues from whole of the BBC, not just in news, on these highest possible profile resignations of the DG and CEO of News. That’s not happening because of a GC reasons. It’s about much broader politics. The way the Tories and Reform are trying to claim they’re somehow the GC party is laughable.

It did feel for a long time that it was positive coverage only for the trans activists at the BBC. I complained to the BBC like many others on here.

That was a political position that the BBC should not have taken on so uncritically, but it’s also important to remember that it was the BBC who paid for and aired Deborah Cohen and Hannah Barnes’ work at Newsnight, raising on mainstream broadcast media for the first time the many concerns about the Tavistock GIDS and labelling and medicating young people as ‘trans kids’.

That was the very a win for the BBC, to provide the very first mainstream investigative reporting in the UK on this key issue. The Times similarly led the way among the newspaper pack. The BBC’s output on this was not then followed up by the rest of the broadcast media, as was the Times’ reporting led by Janice Turner not followed up by the rest of the newsprint press. Which shows the hostile climate that they broadcast it in.

Obviously yes it all should all have happened years earlier but it’s also important to register when reporting is the first and the only and that has to remain a matter praise for the BBC. The growing mainstream media coverage and the legal cases (Keira Bell onwards) are I think what has really turned this juggernaut around. It’s not the politicians have suddenly taken women’s rights seriously. Otherwise we’d see different improvements in health, education and welfare, policing, childcare rights and provision, diplomacy and international development work etc. Everything really.

The reason the whole trans activist movement has been able to capture every major institution in the UK, is because the UK is a massively sexist country. That’s going to take decades to change.

This institutional capture regarding the latest modern form of sexism and homophobia, gender identity politics, was successful for years under the short-lived Tory—Lib Dem Coaliition and then under the successive Tory govs that the UK had from 2010-2024.

So much so that under the massive Tory majority in Parliament we had, Theresa May as PM very very nearly brought in Self ID to the UK. It was a UK government proposal that this should happen.

The issue was systemic and not dependent on party affiliation simply because sexism is systemic and not dependent on party affiliation. Therefore, not a BBC specific problem. Yes, still a massive problem. But we need to be objective in judgement of it.
The wider influence of transactivism is only now slowly waning even at the NHS, and in UK schools and among UK employers. This is evidence that this sexist homophobic genderist politics goes way, way wider than who is running the BBC at any one time and speaks to something absolutely baked into our misogynistic culture.

These resignations at the BBC yesterday are more about the fact that Boris Johnson’s appointees at the BBC as NEDs have gained traction and if that’s good or bad.

It is at the same time objectively true that the BBC has had a series of editorial crisises and has responded far too slowly to them. Which doesn’t say good things about a united or healthy management culture at the BBC but again given the globally high profile nature of the BBC upper levels of board management those relationships are always going to be a war zone. And nobody would want to have groupthink there. The BBC is massive and as such it will always make mistakes, and the key is how it responds to them and actively learns from them. That is about good management at all levels.

The pendulum is swinging way too far today though. Because they haven’t even yet responded to the resignations from yesterday. There’s news coverage now- including on the BBC, about how the DG job is impossible to do or about whether we need to keep the BBC at all in this day and age.

It would be disastrous for the UK and make us more impoverished and irrelevant, and useful idiots to whatever authoritarian might find us helpful, if we didn’t have the BBC with its impartiality remit. I think most of the time, on most issues (but not women’s rights obviously) it treads carefully and appropriately. We’re at high risk of throwing out baby with bathwater which would make the authoritarians and extremists extremely happy. It’s a time for cool heads and diversity of views in broadcasting to be protected.

The best post I've read on this issue. Thank you @RobustPastry .

nicepotoftea · 10/11/2025 10:41

WarriorN · 10/11/2025 10:15

Miriam Cates on Twix

Important to remember just how much influence the BBC has in schools. From Bitesize to Newsround, the BBC must bear its share of responsibility for enabling progressive activism in schools. As a parent it’s hard to argue against a school’s stance on gender, sex, race, climate when teachers can point to the nation’s taxpayer-funded trusted broadcaster as ‘evidence’ of accepted facts.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/z6r8qyc#z24w239

They still have this on their website. The advice to parents seems quite dated.

An A-Z of LGBTQ+ language for speaking to your child - Parents' Toolkit - BBC Bitesize

Using the right language around LGBTQ+ can often feel like a minefield - here's how you can learn from and listen to your child.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/z6r8qyc#z24w239

Damnthetorpedoes · 10/11/2025 10:30

Here’s an example of the bonkers top readers comments in the Guardian.

The BBC is under attack not because it's biased but because it isn't biased enough.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the Panorama edit, the big picture reveals something far more sinister.
Malign forces, ideological and commercial, have a huge stake in the destruction of the BBC precisely because, for all its faults, it is still a trusted source of information in an increasingly polluted information landscape.
It is beyond irony that even as this controversy rages, news surfaces that faux-victim Trump has issued pardons to Giuliani and the other 'false slate' conspirators who worked to gift him the 2020 election.

Jesus wept.

EasternStandard · 10/11/2025 10:27

WarriorN · 10/11/2025 10:15

Miriam Cates on Twix

Important to remember just how much influence the BBC has in schools. From Bitesize to Newsround, the BBC must bear its share of responsibility for enabling progressive activism in schools. As a parent it’s hard to argue against a school’s stance on gender, sex, race, climate when teachers can point to the nation’s taxpayer-funded trusted broadcaster as ‘evidence’ of accepted facts.

Of course. If you can reach kids you’re winning in the bias wars.

Any long standing ideology knows that.

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