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Survey on culture in the UK - 'trans rights' questions

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ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 21:12

New survey

19% of people say 'trans rights have not gone far enough' in the UK.
39% say 'trans rights have gone too far'.

That's a really big change in the past five years.

'The proportion who say transgender rights have gone too far in the UK has more than doubled since 2020, from 17% to 39%, though overall there is still no public consensus on the issue, with 19% now saying transgender rights have not gone far enough, 27% saying they’ve gone as far as they should, and a further 15% not giving an opinion.
The proportion of people who say transgender rights have gone too far has doubled among all age groups – even 16-24s, where one in five (19%) now feel this way, compared with around one in 10 (9%) in 2020. However, young people are still more likely to say transgender rights have not gone far enough (36%).'

https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/uks-sense-division-reaches-new-high-culture-war-tensions-grow-study-finds

Article:

https://unherd.com/newsroom/growing-number-of-britons-think-trans-rights-have-gone-too-far/

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BettyBooper · 09/11/2025 17:04

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 17:00

I know, that was a joke. It was a to a flippant statement.

Yes but it's the same thing you're arguing for! Don't you see how absurd it is?

Your saying Bluemin can be a snail is the same as saying that a man can be a woman if he says so.

You think the former is a ridiculous joke but what you are saying is equally ridiculous.

nicepotoftea · 09/11/2025 17:02

Petitchat · 09/11/2025 16:58

Then that person will find a way no matter what

So far, you have believed he is a transwoman, not recognising he is a predator.

Next step, he grabs a little girl and harms her sexually.
What then @Gnasher1981

I think it's important to remember that nobody is asking whether a man believes he is a woman before allowing him to use 'inclusive' facilities. He is just being invited to use the facility where he feels more comfortable. No need to pretend anything.

WarrenTofficier · 09/11/2025 17:02

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 14:09

I agree, I also debate with pro trans groups as i feel there needs to be a middle ground which reflects all victims of abuse.

But if you believe that trans women are women (which you have stated you do) why do you think they shouldn't work in rape care? After all they are women.

BettyBooper · 09/11/2025 17:01

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 16:43

Then that person will find a way no matter what and should be castrated and locked up.
Don't assume all trans people are SAs. Should all cis men be kept away from children due to how many abuse them?

Maybe, but you certainly shouldn't make things easier but removing safeguarding protections!

Some people will drink and drive, doesn't mean it shouldn't be illegal.

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 17:00

BettyBooper · 09/11/2025 16:47

I really think you are conflating validating what a person feels about themselves with accepting whatever someone says about themselves is reality.

No, Bluemin can't be a snail if they want. Of course not. They can pretend to be a snail. They can say that they feel like they are a snail, but they are not in reality a snail.

I know, that was a joke. It was a to a flippant statement.

Petitchat · 09/11/2025 16:58

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 16:43

Then that person will find a way no matter what and should be castrated and locked up.
Don't assume all trans people are SAs. Should all cis men be kept away from children due to how many abuse them?

Then that person will find a way no matter what

So far, you have believed he is a transwoman, not recognising he is a predator.

Next step, he grabs a little girl and harms her sexually.
What then @Gnasher1981

Bluemin · 09/11/2025 16:56

Bluemin · 09/11/2025 14:17

Sorry, do you mean that you agree that TWAW and should be allowed to work in women's rape centres, or that not all TWAW and therefore TW should not be allowed to work in women's rape centres? I'm not sure which position you're agreeing with here.

I know there are a lot of posts asking you questions @Gnasher1981 but I'm very interested in your answer to this question.

BettyBooper · 09/11/2025 16:56

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 16:41

Not gonna lie, it scares me too. There is a stiffened between arc and gender, and the fact some people believe biological sec can change is just absurd.

It is very scary, I was bowled over when my friend said it to me. Our friendship has never recovered. Not because I don't still love her or that I feel badly towards her. But the exchange scared the shit out of me.

I really don't have any issue with people who would prefer to be considered as if they were the opposite sex. But sex in some circumstances does matter. And truth matters.

That's why it's important that TW don't go into women's SSS.

WarrenTofficier · 09/11/2025 16:55

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 13:42

I am not forcing anyone to do anything, I would say you are denying people their right to be who they identify as due to you not understanding.
Other than existing, how does a trans woman affect you?

By wearing a dress and lipstick and calling themselves Julie they don't directly affect me and they are perfectly entitled to do that in circumstances that it doesn't affect me but by treating me when I ask for a female medic to do my smear test/breast exam they affect me. By entering a space in which I am getting changed and they can observe me doing so they are affecting me . By choosing to compete in female sport they are are affecting me (all the cross sex hormones in the world don't reduce male advantage in sports, they don't reduce height or reach or heart size or blood volume or muscle structure or lung capacity or alter pelvis shape or many of the 100s of differences between male and female bodies). By entering the female prison estate if convicted of a crime they affect women. By entering female toilets they make women of some religious or cultural backgrounds unable to enter them, likewise women who have been victims of male violence or abuse and this affects women.

HPFA · 09/11/2025 16:55

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 11:16

Theyould call Isla Bryson an unholy hell hound for all i care.
Using this as example is not fair on the rest of the trans community.

Which is kinda my point, people use extreme examples to justify their own opinions rather than try to be understanding of the matter at hand.

It was the decision of the trans community (as represented by their organisations) to abandon gatekeeping that has partly led to this.

Isla Bryson had never identified as a woman before being convicted - it would have been simple for Stonewall et al just to say "IB is clearly not trans and should be put in a male prison".

Quite a few trans people think that modern activism has been a disaster for them and I completely agree -sadly it seems the majority of the trans community don't listen to those voices.

SinnerBoy · 09/11/2025 16:53

Gnasher1981 · Today 10:15

+++ that men who identify as women exhibit male pattern violence as a class.+++

That is a total fabrication. Don't make up lies to justify your stance.

Look at the linked Government and MoJ statistics. You're making a complete fool of yourself.

nicepotoftea · 09/11/2025 16:51

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 16:43

Then that person will find a way no matter what and should be castrated and locked up.
Don't assume all trans people are SAs. Should all cis men be kept away from children due to how many abuse them?

Should all cis men be kept away from children due to how many abuse them?

The law is that trans identifying males should be treated the same as any other male, so in a situation where sex is relevant, both would be treated the same.

Are you genuinely not understanding this?

Petitchat · 09/11/2025 16:51

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 16:43

Then that person will find a way no matter what and should be castrated and locked up.
Don't assume all trans people are SAs. Should all cis men be kept away from children due to how many abuse them?

Then that person will find a way no matter what

And what if that person decided he would go after little girls this way and you believed him and gave him that opportunity.
What then? @Gnasher1981

TimeForATerf · 09/11/2025 16:50

Just come back to this thread after being out all day. Fucking hell @gnasher1981 you are light years behind the (real) women on MN on this topic, the rubbish you are troping has been covered and dispelled on MN literally years ago.

Guessing your age from your username and the things you are saying, are you a newbie to feeling like you’re a woman?

BettyBooper · 09/11/2025 16:47

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 16:25

You can be a snail if that's what you want. It won't bother me or anyone else or any of the snails.

Edited

I really think you are conflating validating what a person feels about themselves with accepting whatever someone says about themselves is reality.

No, Bluemin can't be a snail if they want. Of course not. They can pretend to be a snail. They can say that they feel like they are a snail, but they are not in reality a snail.

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 16:43

Petitchat · 09/11/2025 16:39

If a trans woman tells me they are a woman I will accept it....

What if the person is pretending to be a trans woman?
And uses this pretence to get close to little girls because he is a predator?

What then?@Gnasher1981

Then that person will find a way no matter what and should be castrated and locked up.
Don't assume all trans people are SAs. Should all cis men be kept away from children due to how many abuse them?

Petitchat · 09/11/2025 16:43

Shedmistress · 09/11/2025 13:18

I'm hoping you will be able to help me understand here.

Apparently there is a man in his 50s in this photo of a girl's basketball team. I just can't work it out. Can you help?

Errmm...............

FranticFrankie · 09/11/2025 16:42

ArabellaSaurus · 09/11/2025 16:09

There is a post here from someone on Reddit asking whether men can get pregnant or not.

Some responses are sceptical that its in good faith, but they are forgetting that there is a generation that may well have been taught that sex is something we can change at will, there are more than 100 genders, that sex and gender are interchangeable, etc.

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1osltj6/cant_men_get_pregnant/

Gosh 2 minutes on that sub is enough make you question the world's sanity
The replies?!?!? Not just to the above question 😳

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 16:41

BettyBooper · 09/11/2025 15:24

My best friend has argued to me all the same points as gnasher has, but then went further and said that TW actually change biological sex when they say they are women 😵‍💫.

It is actually horrifying that people can believe a) what noone believed until 5 minutes ago and b) what is obviously, evidently completely false just in order to #BeKind to a small group of activists.

It scares the shit out of me.

Not gonna lie, it scares me too. There is a stiffened between arc and gender, and the fact some people believe biological sec can change is just absurd.

CohensDiamondTeeth · 09/11/2025 16:40

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 09:51

Because, statistically, cis men are far more likely to commit violent or sexual assault than trans women.
I know a few trans people and they are all very nice and non abusive, whereas I know plenty men who should not be allowed to leave the house unsupervised.

Edited

Time for the 2023 prison rates of sexual offending graphic again.

Survey on culture in the UK - 'trans rights' questions
Petitchat · 09/11/2025 16:39

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 13:04

If a trans woman tells me they are a woman i will accept it.
If they want to to join women's sports then they need to have the hormone supplements.

If they want hormone supplements they need to wait until they are old enough to do so.
If they want surgery they need to wait until they are old enough to do so.

If a trans woman tells me they are a woman I will accept it....

What if the person is pretending to be a trans woman?
And uses this pretence to get close to little girls because he is a predator?

What then?@Gnasher1981

PachacutisBadAuntie · 09/11/2025 16:33

ArabellaSaurus · 09/11/2025 16:07

Sure, but the real true believers are a very tiny minority.

The VAST majority of people don't pay all that much attention. They coasted along assuming it was all rainbow flags and loveliness. They noted some feminists were getting very noisy about something, but decided, because they were told, that it was 'culture wars' and nothing to do with them. 'Love is love' and 'being my true self' sounded fair enough and no big deal.

Then they probably noticed, say, an avalanche of drag queen propaganda. Or heard the 'No debate' mantra and thought 'that's a bit rude'. Saw a woman get punched in the news, assumed it was some kind of in-group spat. Then their child came home talking about Stonewall genderamas. Somebody at school goes non-binary and talks about puberty blockers. Well, they thought, live and let live, and it's probably a bit like the gay/lesbian thing back in the day.

Then there was the Cass Report, and they thought a bit about why 15 year old girls were getting mastectomies. Or they came across a chap in the local swimming pool, using the women's changing rooms. Maybe they were vaguely aware the Scottish government planned to bring in self ID. Then there was Isla Bryson and his penis, sent to a woman's prison.

Maybe then they started noticing more, and wondered how we got here. And opinion has started to shift.

I've watched over the past howeverthefuckmany years as one by one friends and family have had some kind of disconcerting realisation dawn. And every one of them has gone from frowning at me when I've talked about gender stuff to eventually coming and asking 'what the fuck is actually going on?'

No, no point in trying to argue with true believers. But still, most people have only a very sketchy idea of what's going on. Bear in mind the survey that showed a couple of years ago that around 30% of the public still don't really know whether a 'trans woman' is supposed to mean someone who is male to female, or the opposite.

💯 this. I think as well lockdown (and covid generally) brought out an extra level of crazy and it's time for it to go back in the box.

nicepotoftea · 09/11/2025 16:29

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 16:25

You can be a snail if that's what you want. It won't bother me or anyone else or any of the snails.

Edited

Except that isn't true, because Bluemin will be treated by the law as a human, and won't be able to e.g. avoid council tax by claiming to be a snail.

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 16:25

Bluemin · 09/11/2025 10:17

If a woman is someone who identifies as a woman is a snail someone who identifies as a snail?

If I identify as a snail then I must be a snail. That means snails are middle aged women with dark hair and a propensity for eating too much chocolate.

This is your logic.

You can be a snail if that's what you want. It won't bother me or anyone else or any of the snails.

Petitchat · 09/11/2025 16:25

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 12:02

And That is where you and I do not agree; trans women are women.
The vast majority of SAse are committed by cis men. You are far more likely, statistically, to be SA by a cis man than a trans woman if either one was alone with you.
I also believe when a SA victim goes to get help they should be able to see a cis female, if only for their own comfort and to respect what they have gone through.
That's not anti trans, thats understanding a victim's needs.
That does not mean we should suspect all trans people.

Transwomen are pretend women.
Fact.