Survey on culture in the UK - 'trans rights' questions

I'm a cis male who identifies as a male.
Women also have testosterone naturally accuring, some a lot more than others. It is not only harmless it also increases a woman's libido, and is recommended for those going through menopause (sorry if that feels like mansplaining, it just goes with this particular conversation).

Gosh do you really think us silly women aren't aware that we have naturally occurring (very very low) amounts of testosterone in our bodies? 🙄. It doesn't make us a little bit male though.

Considering the number of priests who have abused children, have you tried banning preists from public toilets to stop them abusing children?

Considering the number of priests who have abused children, have you tried banning preists from public toilets to stop them abusing children?

Because if a woman is happy with having a male gyno fair enough. If a woman is not happy with having a male gyno it is not ok for a man to pretend to be a woman gyno and treat her.

That would be harmful because it goes against the woman's consent.

(Why am I bothering??!)

I'm a cis male who identifies as a male.
Women also have testosterone naturally accuring, some a lot more than others. It is not only harmless it also increases a woman's libido, and is recommended for those going through menopause (sorry if that feels like mansplaining, it just goes with this particular conversation).

Why not? The trans person will be harmless, and there are also cis male gynecologists so why not a trans one?

Why not? The trans person will be harmless, and there are also cis male gynecologists so why not a trans one?

We don't let those men into a toilet or changing room with girls.

When you declare TWAW, you allow men into toilets and changing rooms with girls, creating an opportunity to molest that didn't previously exist.

Aw, bless.

If you are new here, read the archives.

Most of us actually would have said similar to you, light years ago.

But the longer we live and the more we think, the more we learn and the clearer we see, and the world is not going to stop abusing and marginalising female people just because someone decides the name for people with our bodies can't be "women" any more because some sad men need to be called "women" too.

So as long as sexism is based on our bodies, the protections against it need to be based on our bodies as well.

Because whatever trans women are experiencing (and once you get past menaingless platitudes into actual examples I have never ever heard it described as anything that does not eventually boil down to that man simply having reductive, simplistic and often downright offensive ideas about how women think and live) it is manifestly not the same thing as being female bodied.

And once you stop putting all your attention on what trans women want and start to ask why is it that, given trans women are not female and therefore their "womanhood" cannot be dependant on being female, whatever it is that they need for their womahood cannot exist alongside social, political and legal recognitin of female people and out rights and needs, you realise that there is no answer to that question, and that what trans women are demanding under the banner of safety and acceptance for trans people is really just about their need to access and control women by utterly stamping out female people;s right to self define and self organise without them.

I'm a cis male who identifies as a male.
Women also have testosterone naturally accuring, some a lot more than others. It is not only harmless it also increases a woman's libido, and is recommended for those going through menopause (sorry if that feels like mansplaining, it just goes with this particular conversation).

And what about when that very vulnerable woman has a mental health crisis and ends up in a secure hospital ward ... and finds she is sharing it with a male person because he identifies as a woman. It's a locked ward. She can't get away . Is that ok?

Or she needs intimate physical care, in a hospital, or at home. Should she have to spill her whole history of having been sexually abused in order to be allowed genuinely same-sex care?

This is a very strange question. I've seen male child minders, teachers, pediatricians, etc, and they all have access to children. If they abuse the children is that somehow my fault? There have many reports of cis women abusing children, is that somehow my fault? Or maybe they are yours? What will you do then?
You're questions are just a way of accusing all trns peiple of being abusers, which they ar not.

I don't feel lke I'm a woman. I came on mum's net to to get womens perspective on topics and found what I would call a very anti trans group on here.
I've talked to many women, including, mum's, about this subject and most of them do not hold the views I have found I on here.
It's rather interesting tbh.
I'd say you guys are light years behind.

I'm going to assume that you mean you're a female who doesn't identify as a woman. Please do correct me if I've got that wrong.

If that's the case, good for you. If it brings you comfort not to identify as a woman and makes sense to you, great! One thing you'll unfortunately probably need to accept though, if you want to stay sane and not feel angry at the world, is that not everyone shares your belief that everyone has a gender identity.

And if you end up deciding you want to take cross-sex hormones or remove body parts to help affirm your belief that you're not a woman, it's worth noting that there is an increasingly mounting evidence base that shows the harm that testosterone does to the female body.