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They scraped Mumsnet again.

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ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 17:26

archive.ph/e0u3Z

https://bulletin.appliedtransstudies.org/article/4/1-3/7/

Another data scrape. I'd say it's also defamatory against Mumsnet.

I've archived.

Article is a load of tedious wank, as you'd expect.

'In this study, however, we excavate what it means to write like a GC by analyzing how GC forum users rely on reactionary language and deploy storytelling practices in ways that calcify their anti-trans ideologies as personal and natural while rendering transgender people as anti-feminist, dangerous, and monstrous. To identify how GC groups perform political mythmaking and construct extremist identities, we undertook a computationally assisted discursive analysis of two popular GC forums: Ovarit and Mumsnet’s “Feminism: Sex & Gender” board (abbreviated to “FSG”). Through comparative platform discourse analysis, we analyzed over 80k posts and comments scraped from Ovarit and over 60k posts and comments scraped from Mumsnet (Burgess and Matamoros-Fernández 2016; Lewis and Marwick 2017)'

The only mildly amusing thing about it is the name of the Journal.

BATS.

“I Took a Deep Breath and Came Out as GC”: Gender Critical Storytelling, Radicalization, and Discursive Practice on Ovarit and Mumsnet

Following the closure of the anti-trans subreddit r/GenderCritical, gender critical (GC) internet users have migrated to more obscure, invite-only spaces. A side-effect of this GC dispersal is that activity in online anti-trans spaces has become increa...

https://bulletin.appliedtransstudies.org/article/4/1-3/7/

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FuckOffMadison · 08/11/2025 23:29

how GC forum users rely on reactionary language and deploy storytelling practices
Storytelling or talking about real life experiences? They really like to stretch the meaning of language don't they 🙄

Oh...and the little twat is very welcome to scrape this username

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 08/11/2025 23:29

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 17:35

PB Berge also has studied transphobia in Dungeons and Dragons. Bless him.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/15554120231204145

Surely D&D 5e is positively queer as fuck?

Also 'calcify' ?!

These 'research' projects would be so much more interesting if the results weren't a foregone conclusion andthe entire premise as biased as the BBC?

GreenFriedTomato · 08/11/2025 23:25

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 21:57

actual footage earlier

I'm going to stop quoting now but they took my laugh react away and I just needed to 😂😂😂😂

moto748e · 08/11/2025 23:25

The massive impact of video games in the last couple of decades, as well as general social contagion, has to be a big factor.

GreenFriedTomato · 08/11/2025 23:20

Justme56 · 08/11/2025 19:36

The PB Berge is short for Persephone Blue. Probably shouldn’t ask but what is the difference between trans gaming and other types of gaming?

I just chuckled remembering a Billy Moore video when he went filming around Manchester and came across a TRA protest.
He got chatting to a tim who introduced himself as Persephone and he just didn't get it.
Kept saying sorry what? Stephanie? Pstephanie?

A trans family member chose their new name and it was something like Raven Fire Godiva, not Tracy or Nicola.
All these fantasy themed names suggest something

MassiveWordSalad · 08/11/2025 23:19

FallenSloppyDead2 · 08/11/2025 22:58

This study relied on a computationally-assisted discourse analysis of data collected from FSG and Ovarit using Python notebooks developed by one of the authors.

Monty Python?

The Python programming language was named after Monty Python, as it happens.

SinnerBoy · 08/11/2025 23:04

Double blind peer review, eh? Does that mean he got Michael Cashman to wear a blindfold and a tattie sack and press one of two buttons?

Mumsnet is a pit of transphobic hate?

Button 1: Yes
Button 2: Affirmative.

FallenSloppyDead2 · 08/11/2025 22:58

This study relied on a computationally-assisted discourse analysis of data collected from FSG and Ovarit using Python notebooks developed by one of the authors.

Monty Python?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/11/2025 22:51

EdithStourton · 08/11/2025 18:27

Whoever developed 'BATS' should really have thought much harder about the name...
Bulletin of Applied Transgender Studies (Holistic, Integrated, Turgid), perhaps?

Yes! 👏

GreenFriedTomato · 08/11/2025 22:48

Snap. Cross posted. Thankyou

GreenFriedTomato · 08/11/2025 22:47

@Igneococcus if anyone could supply a link to that thread I'd be most grateful. Looking at you Queen @Boiledbeetle

I've been away for a while womanning. Not the sexy glamorous womanly stuff of dreams but the shitty real life womanning.

I could do with a laugh

Igneococcus · 08/11/2025 22:36

GreenFriedTomato · 08/11/2025 22:19

Thankyou for posting this. I was scrolling away hoping for some clarity and felt a bit too shy to ask for a link. And then you appeared. And it's everything I was hoping it would be 😁

In the original thread (I can't remember which one, only that it was a Friday night) it appeared out of the blue and the visiting TRA was completely blindsided by it, clearly could not figure out how he should react to it, it was too funny.

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 08/11/2025 22:30

Have not read the report yet (not enough hours in today)

Was wondering if there could be a parallel piece with they's Python tools pointed at Reddit?

The mind boggles at what useful nuggets could be divined from that cesspool of messages

GreenFriedTomato · 08/11/2025 22:19

Boiledbeetle · 08/11/2025 18:34

Just for you...

“The Chrysalis of Identity” — A Beetle’s Interpretative Dance

Scene:

A softly lit forest clearing at dusk. Fireflies pulse like stage lights. A single beetle, clad in shimmering iridescent wing-capes and delicate antennae extensions, steps onto a mossy platform. The audience: a circle of attentive woodland creatures, seated on toadstools and curled-up leaves.

Act I: Biological Blueprint
🎵 Music: Rhythmic, pulsing drumbeats echoing heartbeat-like patterns.

The beetle begins with rigid, mechanical movements—sharp pivots, symmetrical leg extensions, and synchronized wing flutters.
Each motion mimics chromosomes locking into place, the choreography spelling out “XX” and “XY” with antennae gestures.
A brief duet with a second beetle illustrates reproductive anatomy—mirrored movements, then divergence.
🗣️ Narration (in pheromone bursts):

“Sex is the blueprint—assigned at birth, rooted in biology.”

Act II: The Fluid Flourish
🎵 Music: Ethereal strings and ambient tones, like wind through reeds.

The beetle sheds its rigid form, unfurling wing-capes dyed in shifting hues—blue, pink, gold, and green.
Movements become flowing, expressive: spirals, twirls, and pauses that linger like questions.
It mimics the act of choosing garments, names, pronouns—each gesture a declaration of self.
The beetle dances with a mirrored version of itself, now adorned differently, showing that identity can evolve.
🗣️ Narration (in scent trails):

“Gender is the dance—performed, felt, expressed. Not fixed, but fluid.”

Act III: Harmony and Dissonance
🎵 Music: A blend of the previous themes—biological beats and expressive melodies intertwine.

The beetle now moves between both styles, sometimes rigid, sometimes fluid.
It encounters other beetles—some who match its rhythm, others who challenge it.
Together, they form a kaleidoscope of movement, each honoring their own truth.
🗣️ Final message (etched in dew on a leaf):

“Understanding blooms when we let the dance unfold.”

Thankyou for posting this. I was scrolling away hoping for some clarity and felt a bit too shy to ask for a link. And then you appeared. And it's everything I was hoping it would be 😁

Greyskybluesky · 08/11/2025 22:02

MassiveWordSalad · 08/11/2025 21:56

Here we are, a veritable GC army constantly scouting for new conscripts to our shadowy cause. Damnit, I knew they’d eventually see through our feminist façade. I’ll have to console myself by having a roll in my piles of right-wing cash.

I love this!

Honestly, the conspiracy theorising is just fucking hilarious. We can't be lots of women (and many supportive men) who just happen to believe in truth and biology. There has to be a 'movement' behind it.

Just because TRAs can't think for themselves.

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 21:57

KateShugakIsALegend · 08/11/2025 21:52

@BlueEyedBogWitch

That is very good!

We are indeed ugly and dangerous, with our Brownie references.

actual footage earlier

Season 3 GIF by Nanalan'
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MassiveWordSalad · 08/11/2025 21:56

Here we are, a veritable GC army constantly scouting for new conscripts to our shadowy cause. Damnit, I knew they’d eventually see through our feminist façade. I’ll have to console myself by having a roll in my piles of right-wing cash.

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 21:56

IBorAlevels · 08/11/2025 21:48

Oh I hadn't heard of Ovarit, must go and check it out it seems!
I'm going to hazard a guess that the guy in the glasses is the author? Going for a job at the BBC no doubt.

Alas, Ovarit is no more.

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Igneococcus · 08/11/2025 21:53

KateShugakIsALegend · 08/11/2025 21:45

Where do we send our subs?

You can pay them at the garden parties, they have one of those wee card readers, and sometimes they give out stickers too.

KateShugakIsALegend · 08/11/2025 21:52

BlueEyedBogWitch · 08/11/2025 21:49

Do we have to make our Terf Promise?

“I promise to do my very best
To do my duty to sprogs,
To serve up truth
And help my sisters
And keep blokes out of our bogs.”

<salutes>

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@BlueEyedBogWitch

That is very good!

We are indeed ugly and dangerous, with our Brownie references.

JulesJules · 08/11/2025 21:51

God, what a couple of pointless knobs

BlueEyedBogWitch · 08/11/2025 21:49

KateShugakIsALegend · 08/11/2025 21:45

Where do we send our subs?

Do we have to make our Terf Promise?

“I promise to do my very best
To do my duty to sprogs,
To serve up truth
And help my sisters
And keep blokes out of our bogs.”

<salutes>

IBorAlevels · 08/11/2025 21:48

Oh I hadn't heard of Ovarit, must go and check it out it seems!
I'm going to hazard a guess that the guy in the glasses is the author? Going for a job at the BBC no doubt.

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 08/11/2025 21:48

Normal gaming is gaming while owning a dick, or not owning a dick. Transgenderuk gaming is gaming while owning a dick but pretending very hard to yourself that you don't.