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They scraped Mumsnet again.

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ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 17:26

archive.ph/e0u3Z

https://bulletin.appliedtransstudies.org/article/4/1-3/7/

Another data scrape. I'd say it's also defamatory against Mumsnet.

I've archived.

Article is a load of tedious wank, as you'd expect.

'In this study, however, we excavate what it means to write like a GC by analyzing how GC forum users rely on reactionary language and deploy storytelling practices in ways that calcify their anti-trans ideologies as personal and natural while rendering transgender people as anti-feminist, dangerous, and monstrous. To identify how GC groups perform political mythmaking and construct extremist identities, we undertook a computationally assisted discursive analysis of two popular GC forums: Ovarit and Mumsnet’s “Feminism: Sex & Gender” board (abbreviated to “FSG”). Through comparative platform discourse analysis, we analyzed over 80k posts and comments scraped from Ovarit and over 60k posts and comments scraped from Mumsnet (Burgess and Matamoros-Fernández 2016; Lewis and Marwick 2017)'

The only mildly amusing thing about it is the name of the Journal.

BATS.

“I Took a Deep Breath and Came Out as GC”: Gender Critical Storytelling, Radicalization, and Discursive Practice on Ovarit and Mumsnet

Following the closure of the anti-trans subreddit r/GenderCritical, gender critical (GC) internet users have migrated to more obscure, invite-only spaces. A side-effect of this GC dispersal is that activity in online anti-trans spaces has become increa...

https://bulletin.appliedtransstudies.org/article/4/1-3/7/

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FragilityOfCups · 09/11/2025 08:45

LongOutBreath · 09/11/2025 07:25

"Men take data non-consensually from women in order to tell women why women object to men ignoring their boundaries".

I bet these dudes have never actually properly listened to a woman their whole lives.

They really seem to struggle with the question "how can we find out what they're saying?"

DeanElderberry · 09/11/2025 08:40

Howseitgoin · 09/11/2025 08:32

(And, FWIW, I think the GC position is apolitical. Not left, not right, just acceptance of reality.)

It would be if it were just about the logistics of how to manage competing rights. But it tends to wade much deeper into far right waters in terms of hyper disgust of challenges to traditional social norms that's perceived as 'degeneracy' spreading like a 'disease' corrupting the populous …a sign of 'civilisational decline'.

said no GC poster on FWR ever

not just because of the mixed metaphors and grammatical confusion

OnAShooglyPeg · 09/11/2025 08:38

moto748e · 08/11/2025 23:25

The massive impact of video games in the last couple of decades, as well as general social contagion, has to be a big factor.

What impact of video games? Which video games, all of them, or only certain ones? I see the denigration of gaming (normally video, but also be tabletop) quite often on MN and I am yet to understand it.

EdithStourton · 09/11/2025 08:36

Howseitgoin · 09/11/2025 08:32

(And, FWIW, I think the GC position is apolitical. Not left, not right, just acceptance of reality.)

It would be if it were just about the logistics of how to manage competing rights. But it tends to wade much deeper into far right waters in terms of hyper disgust of challenges to traditional social norms that's perceived as 'degeneracy' spreading like a 'disease' corrupting the populous …a sign of 'civilisational decline'.

No response to the dangers posed by the far left, then?

Greyskybluesky · 09/11/2025 08:34

Gosh.
Hyperbole much?
Men aren't women. That's all.

Howseitgoin · 09/11/2025 08:32

EdithStourton · 09/11/2025 08:01

While I get its important to identify communities & processes that are gateways to the far right
But obviously the gateways to the equally dangerous far left should be left wide open....
(And, FWIW, I think the GC position is apolitical. Not left, not right, just acceptance of reality.)

(And, FWIW, I think the GC position is apolitical. Not left, not right, just acceptance of reality.)

It would be if it were just about the logistics of how to manage competing rights. But it tends to wade much deeper into far right waters in terms of hyper disgust of challenges to traditional social norms that's perceived as 'degeneracy' spreading like a 'disease' corrupting the populous …a sign of 'civilisational decline'.

Veilsofmorning · 09/11/2025 08:27

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 19:04

Institutional Herpetology: A Preliminary Study
Abstract:
Recent surveys reveal an ecological imbalance within academic environments, where Pythons (verbose, self-referential males in theoretical plumage) increasingly displace Vipers (experienced females exhibiting concise intellectual strike capacity).
Findings:
Pythons dominate via constrictive discourse — endless loops of citation that immobilise meaning. Vipers rely on venom: brevity, evidence, and memory. Administrative climates now cultivate the Python temperament, rewarding performance over precision.
Conclusion:
While Pythons generate impressive coils of language, they seldom produce movement. Vipers, though endangered, remain the only species capable of puncturing the fabric of institutional fog.

(see also: Departmental Minutes, passim)

Though (sad times) perhaps not all pythons are male?

RoyalCorgi · 09/11/2025 08:25

I almost admire the versatility of the ways men have used to try to shut us up.

Still not working, though.

EdithStourton · 09/11/2025 08:01

While I get its important to identify communities & processes that are gateways to the far right
But obviously the gateways to the equally dangerous far left should be left wide open....
(And, FWIW, I think the GC position is apolitical. Not left, not right, just acceptance of reality.)

DeanElderberry · 09/11/2025 07:56

reactionary language: 'sex' 'biology' 'science' 'statistics' 'history' 'facts' 'truth'

recruit new GC members: say something that another woman had been afraid they were alone in thinking

storytelling: describing experiences of male aggression and oppression (very dangerous, women should not be let do this, ever)

LongOutBreath · 09/11/2025 07:25

"Men take data non-consensually from women in order to tell women why women object to men ignoring their boundaries".

I bet these dudes have never actually properly listened to a woman their whole lives.

ArabellaSaurus · 09/11/2025 07:11

haXXor · 09/11/2025 00:45

The standard integrated development environment (that's a fancy text editor with a "run my code" button on the menu bar) for Python is called IDLE. As in Eric...

Amazing!

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BatsinmyBrain · 09/11/2025 01:28

haXXor · 09/11/2025 00:57

All these fantasy themed names suggest something

Yes: an inability to accept the real world in which you are one of eight billion and are nothing special. A desire to turn the world into your personal 24/7 video game in which you are the playable character and everyone else is a non-playable character whose sole reason for existing is to further the plot for the playable character.

Basically, these people are Walter Mitty levels of fantasist, coupled with an apparent failure to recognise that magic isn't real and hence the D&D "Girdle of Masculinity/Femininity" doesn't exist in real life.

The real reason why they hate us is because they go around in this fantasy and, when we say "he" and "the gents is the next door along mate", we break their immersion in that fantasy.

Edited

We really are a bunch of horrible fun-sponging bastards, aren't we?

haXXor · 09/11/2025 00:57

GreenFriedTomato · 08/11/2025 23:20

I just chuckled remembering a Billy Moore video when he went filming around Manchester and came across a TRA protest.
He got chatting to a tim who introduced himself as Persephone and he just didn't get it.
Kept saying sorry what? Stephanie? Pstephanie?

A trans family member chose their new name and it was something like Raven Fire Godiva, not Tracy or Nicola.
All these fantasy themed names suggest something

All these fantasy themed names suggest something

Yes: an inability to accept the real world in which you are one of eight billion and are nothing special. A desire to turn the world into your personal 24/7 video game in which you are the playable character and everyone else is a non-playable character whose sole reason for existing is to further the plot for the playable character.

Basically, these people are Walter Mitty levels of fantasist, coupled with an apparent failure to recognise that magic isn't real and hence the D&D "Girdle of Masculinity/Femininity" doesn't exist in real life.

The real reason why they hate us is because they go around in this fantasy and, when we say "he" and "the gents is the next door along mate", we break their immersion in that fantasy.

haXXor · 09/11/2025 00:45

MassiveWordSalad · 08/11/2025 23:19

The Python programming language was named after Monty Python, as it happens.

The standard integrated development environment (that's a fancy text editor with a "run my code" button on the menu bar) for Python is called IDLE. As in Eric...

haXXor · 09/11/2025 00:38

Christinapple · 08/11/2025 21:06

I also agree AI scrapers should leave Mumsnet alone. AI, IMHO, is junk enough as is without training it on half a trillion words on how bad trans people apparently are.

These weren't AI scrapers. These were supposedly academics, although I'm not sure what in.

AI scraping MN would have the advantage of putting women's voices and thoughts into a male-created language model, countering some of the blind spots that form when men design things. "Invisible Women" talks about how when data includes only men, women are harmed.

JudgeBread · 09/11/2025 00:25

Tedious Wank sounds like a screamo band name as well as being what Madison was probably doing while writing his little article.

TomPinch · 09/11/2025 00:20

FallenSloppyDead2 · 08/11/2025 23:33

So an article titled:
“I Took a Deep Breath and Came Out as GC”
Gender Critical Storytelling, Radicalization, and Discursive Practice on Ovarit and Mumsnet

in a journal called BATS

with an author named Persephone Blue.

Are we sure this isn't a missing sketch from the BBC archives🤔

Yes Minister?

I think it's one of those irregular verbs.

I speak my truth.
You have your opinions.
Those Mumsnet GC-types engage in myth-making.

TomPinch · 09/11/2025 00:18

FallenSloppyDead2 · 08/11/2025 22:58

This study relied on a computationally-assisted discourse analysis of data collected from FSG and Ovarit using Python notebooks developed by one of the authors.

Monty Python?

"And then the data gestated in a box"

monty python GIF
TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 08/11/2025 23:49

Another corrupted activist report identifying as 'science'. 🙄

ErrolTheDragon · 08/11/2025 23:47

FallenSloppyDead2 · 08/11/2025 23:42

Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?

I didn’t expect the Spanish InquisitionHmm

RogueFemale · 08/11/2025 23:44

@ArabellaSaurus Tedious and lying wank.

Edited to add an afterthought; can there be True Wank?

FallenSloppyDead2 · 08/11/2025 23:42

ErrolTheDragon · 08/11/2025 23:36

Well yes, we can be sure, because it’s not something funny that people will be quoting 50 years hence.

Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?

ErrolTheDragon · 08/11/2025 23:36

FallenSloppyDead2 · 08/11/2025 23:33

So an article titled:
“I Took a Deep Breath and Came Out as GC”
Gender Critical Storytelling, Radicalization, and Discursive Practice on Ovarit and Mumsnet

in a journal called BATS

with an author named Persephone Blue.

Are we sure this isn't a missing sketch from the BBC archives🤔

Well yes, we can be sure, because it’s not something funny that people will be quoting 50 years hence.

FallenSloppyDead2 · 08/11/2025 23:33

MassiveWordSalad · 08/11/2025 23:19

The Python programming language was named after Monty Python, as it happens.

So an article titled:
“I Took a Deep Breath and Came Out as GC”
Gender Critical Storytelling, Radicalization, and Discursive Practice on Ovarit and Mumsnet

in a journal called BATS

with an author named Persephone Blue.

Are we sure this isn't a missing sketch from the BBC archives🤔