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They scraped Mumsnet again.

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ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 17:26

archive.ph/e0u3Z

https://bulletin.appliedtransstudies.org/article/4/1-3/7/

Another data scrape. I'd say it's also defamatory against Mumsnet.

I've archived.

Article is a load of tedious wank, as you'd expect.

'In this study, however, we excavate what it means to write like a GC by analyzing how GC forum users rely on reactionary language and deploy storytelling practices in ways that calcify their anti-trans ideologies as personal and natural while rendering transgender people as anti-feminist, dangerous, and monstrous. To identify how GC groups perform political mythmaking and construct extremist identities, we undertook a computationally assisted discursive analysis of two popular GC forums: Ovarit and Mumsnet’s “Feminism: Sex & Gender” board (abbreviated to “FSG”). Through comparative platform discourse analysis, we analyzed over 80k posts and comments scraped from Ovarit and over 60k posts and comments scraped from Mumsnet (Burgess and Matamoros-Fernández 2016; Lewis and Marwick 2017)'

The only mildly amusing thing about it is the name of the Journal.

BATS.

“I Took a Deep Breath and Came Out as GC”: Gender Critical Storytelling, Radicalization, and Discursive Practice on Ovarit and Mumsnet

Following the closure of the anti-trans subreddit r/GenderCritical, gender critical (GC) internet users have migrated to more obscure, invite-only spaces. A side-effect of this GC dispersal is that activity in online anti-trans spaces has become increa...

https://bulletin.appliedtransstudies.org/article/4/1-3/7/

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U53rName · 08/11/2025 18:25

I feel a bit like Gavin Newsom in this video.

https://youtube.com/shorts/w98m3XPXHQA?si=Y0WZX52S49X1s_CV

Boiledbeetle · 08/11/2025 18:25

Magpiecomplex · 08/11/2025 17:48

I'm looking forward to what they do with data scraped since the Bluestocking threads started.

"Mumsnet GC posters seem inordinately preoccupied with performing gerbils and there are multiple attempts at stopping them procreating with the gerbils down the road.

We believe this to be some sort of coded anti trans communication that the authors of this paper have so far failed to penetrate."

DuesToTheDirt · 08/11/2025 18:16

Is this supposed to be a serious academic paper? Because that intro reads like something from Reddit.

"deploying far-right language and rhetoric"
"further entrenching them in organized transphobia"

It's not about you potatoes!

QueenProtea · 08/11/2025 18:16

Yet more tedious incel wankers who cannot stand the fact that women are standing up and fighting back against their misogyny!

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 18:15

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/11/2025 17:53

Something tells me this is not a peer reviewed academic journal. I hope I'm right about that! I wouldn't like to think that somebody's academic reputation is being enhanced by this drivel.

It identifies as peer reviewed.

'Peer Review
BATS uses a double-blind peer review process. This means that the reviewers of a submission will at no point in the review process be made aware of who authored the submission. Likewise, the author(s) of a submission will at no point in time be made aware of who reviewed the submission.'

'The Bulletin of Applied Transgender Studies is published by Northwestern University Libraries on behalf of the Center for Applied Transgender Studies in Chicago, Illinois, USA. To learn more about the Center, visit our website.'

https://bulletin.appliedtransstudies.org/about/

About the Journal - Bulletin of Applied Transgender Studies

About the Journal

https://bulletin.appliedtransstudies.org/about/

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PrizedPickledPopcorn · 08/11/2025 18:11

So, is there anything we do to make our contribution less useful to them?

I mean, I’m pissed off at the idea I am ‘a gender critical’, as opposed to be8ng a woman who after a lifetime of experience understands that a ‘baby boy without a winkle’ is in fact a girl- and potentially a queen!

Seeing that stray 8 replacing an i, would randomly Inserting numerals undermine the scraping?

Scraping, such a grimy word for a grimy activity from grimy chaps.

JeminaTheGiantBear · 08/11/2025 18:11

Oh my god what a long way of saying ‘women can’t be allowed to talk about what men do to them’.
The modern equivalent of the scold’s bridle is incredibly turgid.

heliomum · 08/11/2025 18:10

moto748e · 08/11/2025 17:45

So is this legal?

That's what I was wondering! I thought they need a permission?

FlirtsWithRhinos · 08/11/2025 18:09

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/11/2025 17:53

Something tells me this is not a peer reviewed academic journal. I hope I'm right about that! I wouldn't like to think that somebody's academic reputation is being enhanced by this drivel.

I suspect its main purpose is to be referred to.

It's the activist version of money laundering.

Unevidenced assertion - unevidenced here meaning not the facts they present about the data they scraped but their assumptions about motivation, cherry picking quotes to provide "evidence" of right wing alignment when any one of us who actually reads this board could immediately find quotes that belie the claim which the "researchers" (ahem) have inexplicably not considered, and so on - becomes laundered into "established facts" through repeated referencing in others' "research".

Suspect we'll see this one turning up as a reference in Wikipedia a lot.

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 18:07

EdithStourton · 08/11/2025 18:06

What I dislike is the sense of having these blokes peering over our shoulders, tutting about our déclassé opinions.

Discovering that they're doing it just makes me even bolshier, even more inclined to chuck a few ££ at a crowd-funder for a court case, even angrier at the shit-show of the medical transition of children and young adults, and then men in women's prisons, and the men in women's sports.

Honestly, it almost makes me wish I was a lesbian... Bloody men. Who do they think they are to be, essentially, marking our homework?😡

I suppose it's territorial pissing, really. A form of voyeurism, an attempt to control. It's just another form of misogynist behaviour.

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EdithStourton · 08/11/2025 18:06

What I dislike is the sense of having these blokes peering over our shoulders, tutting about our déclassé opinions.

Discovering that they're doing it just makes me even bolshier, even more inclined to chuck a few ££ at a crowd-funder for a court case, even angrier at the shit-show of the medical transition of children and young adults, and then men in women's prisons, and the men in women's sports.

Honestly, it almost makes me wish I was a lesbian... Bloody men. Who do they think they are to be, essentially, marking our homework?😡

Igneococcus · 08/11/2025 18:03

EdithStourton · 08/11/2025 17:53

😂😂😂
I hope the Bluey blows their brains.
Gnawmi and Gubbins and all...

I know it wasn't in the Bluestocking but it was Boiled so it kind of counts, my favourite ever MN moment in nearly 20 years of MNetting was her first interpretive dance routing. You could, even online, tell how utter baffled the person who dominated that thread was by it all.

moto748e · 08/11/2025 18:02

are described as "radicalized",,,

And always with the fucking 'zee'! 😡

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/11/2025 18:00

Interesting to see the type of man who perves over this board isn't it?
i know we've got our own current Howling midnight monitor splurging his google / wikipedia basement life on here in the early hours. All these men's levels of obsession with independent women are extreme - and very sad to see.

Suggests a profound lack of any sort of social relationships.

Sad times.

Anarkandanaardvark · 08/11/2025 17:58

It always make makes me a laugh when women (most of whom are mothers) are described as "radicalized" for.....recognizing that sex is based on reality and impacts our lives in real and important ways that go beyond what men who like to think they are women experience. We are not the ones who have been radicalized! We are literally experiencing what our mothers and grandmothers have experienced since the dawn of time. I very much doubt this "research" would have been accepted for publication in any mainstream journal.

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 17:55

EdithStourton · 08/11/2025 17:52

Madison is a bloke, yeah?
<waves> in case he scrapes again.

100% agree with @FlirtsWithRhinos that a spot of work on AIBU and Relationships would give them all a MUCH clearer idea of what it's like being a woman than spying on this board.

And @ArabellaSaurus is bang on about the tedious wank. Isn't it just?
'This study is a part of a multi-year investigation into anti-trans forums and is the first of two publications of our findings. Our analysis suggests that GC community forums are not isolated zones of anti-trans sentiment but culturally diffusive centers wherein users learn, practice, and proliferate anti-trans discursive habits.'
Yawn.
I wouldn't call myself anti-trans. If you want be trans, fill your boots. Just don't involve minors, and if you're a bloke, stay out of women's spaces and sports.

It's just all such a technicolour waste of time.

But they're not interested in what it's like to 'be a woman'. They're interested in a pornified caricature of 'femininity'. As has been noted, they hate actual women because reality is a yuck that spoils their yum. They want fully pneumatic, entirely sexualised ciphers that offer gratification. They don't see women as humans at all, just service bots that and perform obsequious 'validation' services on demand and stay quiet otherwise.

They HATE that women think and talk. It spoils the fantasy.

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DialSquare · 08/11/2025 17:54

It’s just another long winded tedious example of men who can’t accept the word no.

EdithStourton · 08/11/2025 17:53

Magpiecomplex · 08/11/2025 17:48

I'm looking forward to what they do with data scraped since the Bluestocking threads started.

😂😂😂
I hope the Bluey blows their brains.
Gnawmi and Gubbins and all...

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/11/2025 17:53

Something tells me this is not a peer reviewed academic journal. I hope I'm right about that! I wouldn't like to think that somebody's academic reputation is being enhanced by this drivel.

EdithStourton · 08/11/2025 17:52

Madison is a bloke, yeah?
<waves> in case he scrapes again.

100% agree with @FlirtsWithRhinos that a spot of work on AIBU and Relationships would give them all a MUCH clearer idea of what it's like being a woman than spying on this board.

And @ArabellaSaurus is bang on about the tedious wank. Isn't it just?
'This study is a part of a multi-year investigation into anti-trans forums and is the first of two publications of our findings. Our analysis suggests that GC community forums are not isolated zones of anti-trans sentiment but culturally diffusive centers wherein users learn, practice, and proliferate anti-trans discursive habits.'
Yawn.
I wouldn't call myself anti-trans. If you want be trans, fill your boots. Just don't involve minors, and if you're a bloke, stay out of women's spaces and sports.

Fidelius · 08/11/2025 17:51

"narrativize"?
Everything I hate about language mangling and pseudo-intellectual knobheads summarised in this one gargle of a word.

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 17:49

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ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 17:49

moto748e · 08/11/2025 17:45

So is this legal?

I believe it breaks the T&Cs. I'll make a thread in Site stuff later.

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Magpiecomplex · 08/11/2025 17:48

I'm looking forward to what they do with data scraped since the Bluestocking threads started.