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They scraped Mumsnet again.

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ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 17:26

archive.ph/e0u3Z

https://bulletin.appliedtransstudies.org/article/4/1-3/7/

Another data scrape. I'd say it's also defamatory against Mumsnet.

I've archived.

Article is a load of tedious wank, as you'd expect.

'In this study, however, we excavate what it means to write like a GC by analyzing how GC forum users rely on reactionary language and deploy storytelling practices in ways that calcify their anti-trans ideologies as personal and natural while rendering transgender people as anti-feminist, dangerous, and monstrous. To identify how GC groups perform political mythmaking and construct extremist identities, we undertook a computationally assisted discursive analysis of two popular GC forums: Ovarit and Mumsnet’s “Feminism: Sex & Gender” board (abbreviated to “FSG”). Through comparative platform discourse analysis, we analyzed over 80k posts and comments scraped from Ovarit and over 60k posts and comments scraped from Mumsnet (Burgess and Matamoros-Fernández 2016; Lewis and Marwick 2017)'

The only mildly amusing thing about it is the name of the Journal.

BATS.

“I Took a Deep Breath and Came Out as GC”: Gender Critical Storytelling, Radicalization, and Discursive Practice on Ovarit and Mumsnet

Following the closure of the anti-trans subreddit r/GenderCritical, gender critical (GC) internet users have migrated to more obscure, invite-only spaces. A side-effect of this GC dispersal is that activity in online anti-trans spaces has become increa...

https://bulletin.appliedtransstudies.org/article/4/1-3/7/

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haXXor · 08/11/2025 20:26

GummyBearette · 08/11/2025 18:46

Using their little pythons again.

Python is the programming language of choice for people who don't really know how to program.

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 20:18

KateShugakIsALegend · 08/11/2025 20:17

Can we ask?

I've suggested MN's lawyers might want to.

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Magpiecomplex · 08/11/2025 20:18

Igneococcus · 08/11/2025 20:13

They have now been cited on MN.
I wonder what impact factor ranking BATS has.

Doesn't have one. Not important enough.

KateShugakIsALegend · 08/11/2025 20:17

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 20:13

Found the ethics statement for the journal;

'Publication Ethics
Authors should observe high standards with respect to publication ethics as set out by the Committee on Publication Ethics. Falsification or fabrication of data, plagiarism, including duplicate publication of the authors’ own work without proper citation, and misappropriation of the work are all unacceptable practices. Any cases of ethical misconduct are treated very seriously and will be dealt with in accordance with the COPE guidelines. All research employing human subjects must have been conducted with the authorization and approval of an Institutional Review Board, an Ethical Review Board, or some other credentialed research ethics committee.
Members of the journal’s editorial team (including assistant editors and editorial board members) are welcome to submit papers to BATS. These submissions are not given any priority over other manuscripts, and editorial team members’ affiliation with the journal has no bearing on editorial decisions. If an editorial team member is an author on a submission, they will have no involvement in or access to confidential information on the editorial process.'

My bold. What board/committee signed this off?

Can we ask?

KateShugakIsALegend · 08/11/2025 20:16

NotTerfNorCis · 08/11/2025 20:13

it is important to remember that FSG remains entangled with Mumsnet generally and the politics of UK nationalism, colonialism, and British white supremacy

OK... and your evidence?

But.... feelings!

JennyForeigner · 08/11/2025 20:14

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 19:04

Institutional Herpetology: A Preliminary Study
Abstract:
Recent surveys reveal an ecological imbalance within academic environments, where Pythons (verbose, self-referential males in theoretical plumage) increasingly displace Vipers (experienced females exhibiting concise intellectual strike capacity).
Findings:
Pythons dominate via constrictive discourse — endless loops of citation that immobilise meaning. Vipers rely on venom: brevity, evidence, and memory. Administrative climates now cultivate the Python temperament, rewarding performance over precision.
Conclusion:
While Pythons generate impressive coils of language, they seldom produce movement. Vipers, though endangered, remain the only species capable of puncturing the fabric of institutional fog.

(see also: Departmental Minutes, passim)

The ESRC called, and they LOVE it.

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 20:14

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/site_stuff/5441037-another-data-scrape-from-academia

I made a thread in SS, if anyone has any concerns they wish to add. I've copy pasted your post, AstonUniversityDataScrapingDepartment, hope that's okay.

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Igneococcus · 08/11/2025 20:13

They have now been cited on MN.
I wonder what impact factor ranking BATS has.

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 20:13

Found the ethics statement for the journal;

'Publication Ethics
Authors should observe high standards with respect to publication ethics as set out by the Committee on Publication Ethics. Falsification or fabrication of data, plagiarism, including duplicate publication of the authors’ own work without proper citation, and misappropriation of the work are all unacceptable practices. Any cases of ethical misconduct are treated very seriously and will be dealt with in accordance with the COPE guidelines. All research employing human subjects must have been conducted with the authorization and approval of an Institutional Review Board, an Ethical Review Board, or some other credentialed research ethics committee.
Members of the journal’s editorial team (including assistant editors and editorial board members) are welcome to submit papers to BATS. These submissions are not given any priority over other manuscripts, and editorial team members’ affiliation with the journal has no bearing on editorial decisions. If an editorial team member is an author on a submission, they will have no involvement in or access to confidential information on the editorial process.'

My bold. What board/committee signed this off?

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NotTerfNorCis · 08/11/2025 20:13

it is important to remember that FSG remains entangled with Mumsnet generally and the politics of UK nationalism, colonialism, and British white supremacy

OK... and your evidence?

JennyForeigner · 08/11/2025 20:12

They are just boys standing in front of girls um, scraping them using computationally-assisted analysis without consent or their prior knowledge. And there's nothing creepy about that.

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/11/2025 20:09

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 18:15

It identifies as peer reviewed.

'Peer Review
BATS uses a double-blind peer review process. This means that the reviewers of a submission will at no point in the review process be made aware of who authored the submission. Likewise, the author(s) of a submission will at no point in time be made aware of who reviewed the submission.'

'The Bulletin of Applied Transgender Studies is published by Northwestern University Libraries on behalf of the Center for Applied Transgender Studies in Chicago, Illinois, USA. To learn more about the Center, visit our website.'

https://bulletin.appliedtransstudies.org/about/

Christ on a bike.

terryleather · 08/11/2025 20:07

FWR living rent free in the heads of the men who demand we call them women.

Same as it ever was.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 08/11/2025 20:04

Anyway I'm not GC. I'm TransQueer. I'm so far beyond their rigid CisQueer thinking their minds can't even grasp my truths. All they can properly do is listen and obey.

(That's how this self defined identity thing works, right? The fact of declaring it emmanates it as a real fact not just for me but for everyone else as well, yes? And if anyone happens disagree with their newly imposed identity then it's hate on their part and can be rightfully ignored? Good, thought so. TransQueer it is then!)

KateShugakIsALegend · 08/11/2025 20:03

Dear Madison, scrape this:

You can't change facts, so instead of accepting who you actually are, you try to bully SOME of the people who don't agree with your views.

You don't pick on the men, the mainstream newspapers, the religious clerics. You pick on women.

I look forward to your next paper scraping Islamic views on trans. Will you start with Hamas?

I don't hate you. But I do feel very, very sorry for you, and hope that you find a happier path in life.

DeanElderberry · 08/11/2025 19:56

I'd have thought they were less incel wankers and more wanky incels, but hey, potato potato. Or scone scone.

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 19:53

From article credits:

'Acknowledgments
The authors would like to thank the special issue editors as well as our anonymized reviewers who provided insightful and crucial feedback. They also extend thanks to the panelists and attendees at the 2024 Association of Internet Researchers conference in Sheffield, who discussed this work with us. Finally, they extend love and gratitude to their friends, pets, and partners, who supported them through a deeply challenging research project.'

It's published on that site, too:

https://spir.aoir.org/ojs/index.php/spir/article/view/13903

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Boiledbeetle · 08/11/2025 19:44

Justme56 · 08/11/2025 19:36

The PB Berge is short for Persephone Blue. Probably shouldn’t ask but what is the difference between trans gaming and other types of gaming?

How many hands are on on the games controller and how many under the desk?

KateShugakIsALegend · 08/11/2025 19:44

FlirtsWithRhinos · 08/11/2025 17:42

The tragedy is that MN as a whole is an amazing resource of autobiographical content and discussion from real women about what they experience and what they care about unmediated by the need to accomodate the usual male audience's sensitivities.

If only they'd bother to scrape IABU and Relationships, they might finally start to fucking understand what living as a woman really means.

But I guess that would force them to recognise the real reason feminists are rejecting trans women's projected ideas of "womanhood", and that's the last thing they want to do.

Much better to keep repeating their own "storytelling" of feminist women inexplicably being radicalised to transphobic hatred.

This. This. This.

This 'study' is just self obsession by two sad, sad souls.

There is NO INTEREST in the other boards, in our lives, in the impact of men's actions on women. Just zero.

It's a 14 year-old's level of maturity: Me! Me! Me!

A bit of daylight and actual socialising would do the authors no end of good.

hellowhaaat3632 · 08/11/2025 19:40

Ugh to reading it - pseudo-science written by pseudo-women - definitely batshit

Where's the reference to the "international wave of political and physical violence against transgender people"?

Do they give PhDs to anyone these days or can you identify into it?

KateShugakIsALegend · 08/11/2025 19:37

"gender critical (GC) internet users have migrated to more obscure, invite-only spaces."

Eh? Where's my invite?

Justme56 · 08/11/2025 19:36

The PB Berge is short for Persephone Blue. Probably shouldn’t ask but what is the difference between trans gaming and other types of gaming?

hellowhaaat3632 · 08/11/2025 19:33

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 18:07

I suppose it's territorial pissing, really. A form of voyeurism, an attempt to control. It's just another form of misogynist behaviour.

Yup typical male behaviour

KateShugakIsALegend · 08/11/2025 19:33

Shortshriftandlethal · 08/11/2025 19:10

A typical nerdy male profile and catalogue of interests.

Yup

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