Fuming about this survey re violence against women and girls

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But clear questions on sex and gender permit that analysis too.
If you want to be able to correctly analyse intersections of protected characteristics you should use clear categories in the first place, Is the effect of being female with a trans identity not equally as interesting to you?

Why should a study on violence against women and girls include men? There is absolutely zero reason to include them.

Well exactly why this study should also include trans women then. So we have even more justification for who they include and how they include them.

No I think it is very interesting if merely identifying as a woman substantially raises your liklihood of being a victim of abuse by a partner. I'd like to see how that works out. It supports the idea that femininity is targeted by perpetrators of abuse. Which we know, it is just helpful to have ongoing research that proves it is still the case.

No I think it is very interesting if merely identifying as a woman substantially raises your liklihood of being a victim of abuse by a partner

It does. Women are not murdering their partners or ex partners at a rate of 2-3 a week are they?

No I think it is very interesting if merely identifying as a woman substantially raises your liklihood of being a victim of abuse by a partner. I'd like to see how that works out. It supports the idea that femininity is targeted by perpetrators of abuse. Which we know, it is just helpful to have ongoing research that proves it is still the case.

That’s fine imo.
but whether the data analysis does the logic combining that and the ‘woman (including trans)’ to maybe get sex is doubtful. The sex of any nonbinary participants would be ambiguous.

its far clearer and congruent with our legal categories if the questions are sex (sex at birth for clarify) and the gender one. That allows for proper intersectional analysis of protected characteristics.

Yes and that why the survey allows for everyone who participates to reveal if they are trans or not.

She didn’t say they has to be separate, just that it might be interesting. Intersectionality of trans identity and female, that might be interesting additional data why wouldn’t it be?

Trans men who are women who say they are men ARE women. They aren't men or they would be called 'men'.

The deliberate confusion is what fuels this whole shit show.

Men. Women. That's it. Until people start just offering the two options that are actual reality, no survey is worth even starting.

Why would they have to be on a separate survey if you believe trans men are female?

That's irrelevant to my question. But I can tell you just feel compelled to talk about it rather than the actual topic because you care so much about my personal views.

If you believe that trans men are female, then of course they should be represented on a survey exploring the experiences of violence against women and girls. Of course you'd want them to answer it in ways that acknowledge them as trans men because you'd want to compare their experiences to other females. You'd also want to make sure they will fill out the survey by ensuring they feel represented.

A person who believes trans men are men would think it inappropriate for them to be surveyed on such a study aimed at women.

I believe they should be on this survey but be able to separate themselves from those who are not trans men. So what do you think I believe about whether trans men are female or not?

What makes you think 'trans men' are NOT female?

Why would they have to be on a separate survey if you believe trans men are female?

Yes that would definitely be important. I haven’t heard that trans targeted violence is an issue in Maidstone, although a trans man friend of mine is just as nervous of going alone into town after dark as I am.
Maybe it would be a good subject for a separate survey.

Just live and let live.

"The council is using professional market research software - I can tell by the link, it’s software called Snap. They may even be working with a market research company. Market researchers set a lot of store by doing things in a scientific manner and avoiding as much bias as possible."

My whole point is that Maidstone Borough Council has numerous current and past resident surveys and they always collect personal information for market research purposes..

This particular survey, which ironically is about violence against women, is the only one that has the gender woo tick box at the end. All of the other surveys, without exception, have a male or female box to tick

Here's a link. Just click on each survey and go to the end.

Apparently it's more important to know if you're female when it comes to food refuse collection than regarding your experience of male violence.

letstalkmaidstone.uk.engagementhq.com/

Your gender wasn't mentioned at birth. Your sex was recorded.

This is what I was thinking.

I would answer woman and yes.

ETA: yes because my gender was recorded as female at birth.

This is what I was thinking.

I would answer woman and yes.

ETA: yes because my gender was recorded as female at birth.

They ask if your gender identity is tbe same as at birth, though. Surely that is OK because they can easily separate out all the biological women.