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Would a biological woman identifying as a trans woman be accepted in the trans community?

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quickquestion12345 · 07/11/2025 18:54

Just curious really if this is something that happens. And if not, what the argument (by trans people) would be against it. Sorry if it’s been covered before. Just been working through some stuff in my head and started to wonder about this!

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HildegardP · 08/11/2025 01:50

Y'mean the biotrans communidee? They're out there & wouldn't you know it, the LGBTQIAS2S+ are resisting their overtures, the exclusionary bigots!

LeftieRightsHoarder · 07/11/2025 23:18

Coatsoff42 · 07/11/2025 18:56

Is it to get NHS funded breast implants and electrolysis?

Brilliant!

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 07/11/2025 23:09

quickquestion12345 · 07/11/2025 20:09

I feel like I’m constantly thrashing around trying to make it all make sense. But it never ever does!

There's a reason for that ...

Namelessnelly · 07/11/2025 22:52

OverlyFragrant · 07/11/2025 18:55

No.
Because they're not trans.
The irony will be delicious but unfortunately wasted.

But if they say they’re trans then they are surely? I mean, aren’t we supposed to believe people when they state their identity?

EweSurname · 07/11/2025 22:38

In identify and intersectionality terms, cis transwomen (the male ones identifying as women) would have more privilege that trans transwomen (women identifying as men identifying as women) because the trans transwomen have the additional burden of having to prove their transness.

RogueFemale · 07/11/2025 22:29

LetterWriter17 · 07/11/2025 20:31

I’ve had similar thoughts… why not be a trans transwoman? That is, born female, but identifies as a man identifying as a woman.

Hmm, cunning. And no reason why not, in the context of trans insanity.

YouCantProveIt · 07/11/2025 22:13

lindholmrowe · 07/11/2025 19:54

That would be "circumgender". It's a thing.
beyond-mogai-pride-flags.tumblr.com/post/148910284285/circumgender-pride-flag

This is the most beautiful piece of absolute nonsense.

I stand with the circumgenders

SidewaysOtter · 07/11/2025 21:43

Surely if this is my lived experience it should be respected otherwise it’s transphobia and an actual genocide?

<wide eyed innocent stare>

Helleofabore · 07/11/2025 21:34

There has been the occasional one on twitter too. I think one was Australian. Each time the women were told how they simply could not be and that they must be just mocking transwomen.

You could not make up the response.

GeneralPeter · 07/11/2025 20:49

OverlyFragrant · 07/11/2025 18:55

No.
Because they're not trans.
The irony will be delicious but unfortunately wasted.

Why not? If their are a man who identifies as a woman, doesn’t that make them trans?

The argument would have to be that biological women can’t be men. I can’t see how someone supportive of trans ideology can run that one.

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/11/2025 20:42

lindholmrowe · 07/11/2025 19:54

That would be "circumgender". It's a thing.
beyond-mogai-pride-flags.tumblr.com/post/148910284285/circumgender-pride-flag

That's hillarious.
🤣🤣🤣

Coconutter24 · 07/11/2025 20:34

quickquestion12345 · 07/11/2025 19:00

I guess I’m thinking of it because if sex doesn’t matter why would it matter here? I can kind of imagine a woman identifying as trans. I’ve struggled with fertility problems and facial hair and various things that have made me feel less of a woman. I am old enough now to know that that experience in itself was fundamentally female, but for many years I just thought I was not a very good woman. Am rambling slightly. Thoughts aren’t formed really am just cogitating!

But your gender corresponds with your sex so there is no transition. You are biologically a female, you’ve struggled with female issues that only a biological woman can experience and having those problems doesn’t make you any less of a woman

LetterWriter17 · 07/11/2025 20:31

I’ve had similar thoughts… why not be a trans transwoman? That is, born female, but identifies as a man identifying as a woman.

Dragonasaurus · 07/11/2025 20:17

quickquestion12345 · 07/11/2025 20:09

I feel like I’m constantly thrashing around trying to make it all make sense. But it never ever does!

I think that’s an entirely normal response from anyone who gives this any actual consideration

KkkIt · 07/11/2025 20:17

So maybe the argument goes something like this.
When I was born I was "assigned" to as a woman which at the time meant female but these days means a glorious rainbow spectrum. So I am no longer the same gender as I was (cough) years ago.
By changing what women means they have taken us on a brave and stunning gender journey and made us all trans.
Any takers?

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quickquestion12345 · 07/11/2025 20:09

I feel like I’m constantly thrashing around trying to make it all make sense. But it never ever does!

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quickquestion12345 · 07/11/2025 20:06

@lindholmrowe interesting thanks! The comments I saw were really not supportive of the concept.

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Hedgehogsrightsarehumanrights · 07/11/2025 20:05

lindholmrowe · 07/11/2025 19:54

That would be "circumgender". It's a thing.
beyond-mogai-pride-flags.tumblr.com/post/148910284285/circumgender-pride-flag

😂😂😂😂

lindholmrowe · 07/11/2025 19:54

That would be "circumgender". It's a thing.
beyond-mogai-pride-flags.tumblr.com/post/148910284285/circumgender-pride-flag

Xiaoxiong · 07/11/2025 19:26

@arcticpandasno, that would just be back to being a woman - which sex realists/ gender critical people say they always were all along.

Sometimes, when people change their mind and drop their “trans” identity they might also call themselves a desister (if they didn’t undergo any medical transition) or a detransitioner (if they underwent any medical transition).

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quickquestion12345 · 07/11/2025 19:23

Ok. Right. Shouldn’t be surprised at the hypocrisy I guess.

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Coatsoff42 · 07/11/2025 19:19

Lostthebubblewand · 07/11/2025 19:07

It’s strange but I met a biological woman who was transitioning into a man once. Their whole personality/ tone/ manner/ look was like a caricature of a camp gay man. I Thought if I was a gay man I would have been really offended by their interpretation of masculinity. It was like a bad impression/ pantomime. Plus they were attracted to men, so they went from heterosexual woman to gay man. I wonder how common that is. It is hard to think of the mental gymnastics. Feeling born in the wrong body but identifying not as a straight man but as a feminine man who enjoys face cream/ masks/ pedicures/ ‘women’s films’/ clothes/ make up. If we are told these things define our gender, then why not just stay a heterosexual woman?
I wonder if that’s too straightforward and boring? There’s no opportunity to feel marginalised.

No one seems to identify as a man who likes watching TV and looks after his elderly mum, and yet there’s plenty of them in the world.

JanesLittleGirl · 07/11/2025 19:18

I thought that I was back in the Bluestocking for a moment before I realised that this conversation is too mad even for there.

Hedgehogsrightsarehumanrights · 07/11/2025 19:17

Monty pythons the stoning comes to mind

Haulage · 07/11/2025 19:10

Haulage · 07/11/2025 18:57

I seem to remember there was an uproar because of something like this happening a year or two ago. I’ll try to find it, but the short answer is no, women can’t identify as transwomen because that’s appropriation.

ETA: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5155654-in-what-might-just-be-the-most-insane-story-of-the-year-two-female-onlyfans-models-have-gone-viral-after-pretending-to-be-transgender-to-sell-porn-content-trans-activists-are-now-accusing-the-women-of-appropriation-for-identifying-as-men

Edited

Obvs the idea of women being appropriative for pretending to be men pretending to be women is completely absurd, but there we go.