Would a biological woman identifying as a trans woman be accepted in the trans community?

PCOS is a type of intersex.

I'm not sure I understand how you identifying as a 'trans woman' - something you insist isn't a woman - would serve to validate your female identity.

It wouldn't. I'm debating within the paradigm. If I'm a woman but my body doesn't meet the usual expectations of a female body (can't gestate, androgenised), I meet the criteria for a transwoman by their own description, don't I? I'm a woman but my body doesn't meet the usual expectations of a female body. Being 'trans' is all about validating female identity despite that.

Yes because non-binary is a category of trans.
not all trans is one to the other.
(according to my uni student with trans friends)

Oh, I dunno, @Kimura. They're always telling us we do womanning wrong, they're more of a woman than we'll ever be, and they've earned their womanhood which makes theirs more womanly.

They're not all doing that though are they. I have no time for the ones that are, and I won't tar the rest with the same brush.

It's not totally unreasonable to suppose - within the trans paradigm - that women like ourselves might be justified in seeking to validate our female identities the same way male women do.

I'm not sure I understand how you identifying as a 'trans woman' - something you insist isn't a woman - would serve to validate your female identity.

Trans women are seeking validation/recognition as something they don't naturally possess. I genuinely can't think of a non-bad faith reason for a woman to identify as a trans woman.

Oh, I dunno, @Kimura. They're always telling us we do womanning wrong, they're more of a woman than we'll ever be, and they've earned their womanhood which makes theirs more womanly.

Like OP (I presume) I have PCOS. This has often been proposed as a direct analogue of transwomanness and certainly, at various points during my (in)fertile years, made me feel not quite as female as I should be.

It's not totally unreasonable to suppose - within the trans paradigm - that women like ourselves might be justified in seeking to validate our female identities the same way male women do.

They would have been right though - The only reasons a woman would claim to be a trans woman (especially online) would be bad faith/mockery, or in an attempt to profit from it like those two OnlyFans girls.

As strongly as many of us may reject the concept, I think you'd have to be quite ignorant to believe that every trans person has nefarious intentions.

Trans people don't transition because they feel 'less of' though, they feel that their biological sex is incorrect, or incompatible with their gender identity. They transition to the gender they feel is correct.

A woman cannot be a trans woman, because there has been no transition. I imagine the trans community wouldn't accept a woman as a 'trans woman' because there's no logical reason for anyone to identify in such a way, other than to wind them up.

WHY ARE YOU SO OBSESSED WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S GENITALS? You should probably see a therapist about that. It's no concern of yours what's in a transwoman's pants. Bigot! (Etc, etc, etc.)

Indeed. Not particularly right in the head. Therapy doesn't always work. But coercing the rest of society to adapt to someone's mental illness no!
I'm past caring about tims. But all the women and young girls who have had mastectomies. What this ideology has done to them is unforgivable. They may be able to get breast implants again later but what about the psychological harm caused so far?
I may not be around to see it but I hope that all those that were complicit get imprisoned and made to pay for the harm they have caused.
The TRA keep saying that society will adapt. No. Society will recognise this as one of the greatest medical scandals and madness in history

Sounds like a right headfuck, is what it is.

Not necessarily.
Born a woman, transition to a man, feel you are a woman..transition to a trans woman..... It's not de ..or going backwards .just keep going forward..
Maybe feel you're male a while later.. become a trans man.. just keep moving.

Isn't it fluid anymore? You can't argue that it's fluid from mtf, ftm. And that it's fixed. That you can only go one step forwards and backwards and not just flow eternally?

If TMAM then if they decide they are now women, they can only ever be transwomen.
So...according to trans theory. Biological women can be trans women !

You can be a furry unicorn and change sex if are happy lying. Thus, you could theoretically say you're a man pretending to be a woman. With lies anything is possible.
The truth is restricted to facts and makes sense.

Very meta to identify as something which is (by definition) identifying as something else.
Would it cancel out in the way that multiplying a negative number by a negative number gives a positive number?

But in the upside down, can't one just identify as anyone or thing one likes?
I'm a biological woman, who identifies as a male, who identifies as a woman. Therefore I'm a trans woman. (With an extra step on the way)
Why not?

That was my first thought. Just do a double-reverse self-ID and Bob's your uncle!

Julie Andrews might have got there first in Victor/Victoria.
Not seen it for years, did she trans trans for economics rather than kicks?

Could a biological woman identify as a trans woman who identifies as a biological woman ?

But but but ... transwomen ARE women. So appropriating WHAT exactly? Womanhood?

Imagine - women appropriating womanhood! Shocking! Burn the witches.

Trisha Paytas had a go at it:
There's probably a thread on it.

With a serious head on:

TWAW-type genderists don't consider a male bodied person to be necessarily a "man" . They think "man" and "woman" are types of personalities that have been incorrectly believed to be determined by ones physical sex.

So a "trans woman" in their belief system isn't "a man who is a woman", it's "a person who is a woman but doesn't have the traditionally expected body of a woman".

Real women ("cis" women in genderist language") can mever be trans women because real women have the traditionally expected body of a woman.

If humans had three sexes, male, female and chibble or something, male women and chibble women would both be trans women. (Serious hat slipped a bit with chibble but it illustrates the principle.)

Any GC logic that associates trans women being male-bodied with them being men will fail in genderist terms because they don't see the two as synonymous. To demonstrate the flaws in genderist logic you need to show that it is internally inconsistent.

(Which is it BTW, in so many ways. The most fundamental being "If society was wrong to assume "women" means female, surely all the "women"'s things that were created based on that assunption are the wrong things? So how come TW so desparately want them when they literally reject the whole concept of "woman" that they are based on?")

I’ve thought about this recently, more in the context of asking someone who believes TWAW if I (a woman) could be a TW. I’m guessing their answer would be no, in which case I’d love to hear the rationale. Because if the answer is no because the only way to be a TW is to be a man in the first place, I don’t see how they could argue that TW are anything other than men.

of course if the answer is yes, I could become a TW, then it would be fascinating to hear what that would entail.

I genuinely hope I get the chance to ask this question.

(edited for sentence that made no sense)

@quickquestion12345 "Feeling born in the wrong body but identifying not as a straight man but as a feminine man who enjoys face cream/ masks/ pedicures/ ‘women’s films’/ clothes/ make up. If we are told these things define our gender, then why not just stay a heterosexual woman?"
Exactly! My DH loves romantic comedies and spends mucy more time and money on his looks and clothes than I do. My idea of hell is shopping while he enjoys it. Should I tell him we got it mixed up and we should just switch gender in order to make it right?

It's so ridiculous. I wanted to be a professionnal football player growing up and I was "one of the lads" because I loved running around playing rough. If someone put the idea in my head back then that I could chose being a lad (despite the fact that I had a crush on one) I would probably have jumped on it. Luckily this shit didn't exist back then and I had feminist parents who told me and my siblings that the sex we were born with was not to define our interests nor our aspirations. I can still remember my dad complementing me for being strong and fast and my mum for being intelligent. So I find it sad when girls get reduced to only "pretty".

That's detransitioning

When I was feeling mischevious the other day I considered starting a TransQueer movement for people who feel they align very strongly with LGBTQIA2S+ values and lifestyles but unlike the priveged CisQueer are
not themselves L, G, B, T, Q, I, A, 2S or + , meaning they are not seen as their true selves by the Queer community.