Would a biological woman identifying as a trans woman be accepted in the trans community?

Of course. Because cis women are women and so are trans women. So they're all just women.

No, you'd just be a woman.
Which is what you were to start with.

Yeah I know what you mean.

Men with penises who have sex with men - homosexuals - do not want to have sex with women with vaginas.

Some might argue her approach is homophobic as it denies men their right to have sex with men.

Your absolute word salad paragraph just goes to show the utter nonsensical status of the debate around this.

If a biological man = transwoman = woman

Then biological woman = transman = man = transwoman = woman

You can no more transition from a woman to a woman as a man to a woman

Transition is meaningless.

Define transition?

I suppose anyone can say they are anything they want really, everything seems to go these days. I do struggle with understanding how a biological woman can be a trans woman because they are not transitioning from anything. Even if the biological woman identifies as non binary then why would they want to decide to trans as a woman, they are a woman. If they’re non binary they do t identify with a gender so why would they identify as a trans woman, if they’re non binary wanted to not be non binary they’d just be a woman

I know you didn’t ask me.

The answer is a woman can be a trans woman if a trans woman can be a woman.

I have a transman family member who was a hetero woman but then declared they were a gay trans man.

I'm just wondering how far they can identify as a gay man in terms of being accepted as such.

I mean a genuine gay man surely wouldn't date someone with a vagina, even if no breasts and lower voice, short hair etc? And they won't have experienced homophobia in the way a regular gay man would have.

It feels like they might be limiting themselves to only dating other transmen when they say they are only attracted to actual bio gay men.

What’s actually had me doubled over in laughter

All transwomen are women

but women cannot be transwomen

So how can women not be transwomen? or maybe the first statement is the lie

If a dude can say he’s a woman. Then a woman can say she’s a transwoman.

The point of it is the fact that words are meaningless.

So just to be extra clear do you think a biological woman can be a trans woman?

If this were a medium in which 'trans' ideology had never been objectively discussed and concepts like sex and gender had never been analysed, I would start from the ground up and explain clearly in small, logical steps. I did that thousands of times during this explosion of insanity.

To my eternal gratitude, a forum exists where I can right write exactly what I'm thinking, which often sounds like "OMFG, haha, this just keeps getting more ridiculous! Jeez, will this nonsense never stop?!" That forum is this very message board, whose users are already familiar with genderism's long-repeated nonsequitur catchphrases. This board doesn't require primary-level clarifications.

You're not exactly a newbie here, Coconutter, so I'm surprised you didn't recognise the 'genitally obsessed pants inspector' cliché. Never mind. It's all good. 🕊

Or maybe just right clearly exactly what you’re thinking? Reading all your comments I can’t work out if you agree or disagree with OP

Oh @Coconutter24...

Seems I should've used a bigger signpost.

Where have I been obsessed with people’s genitals? Or have I just pointed out a simple fact there’s no transition needed? That doesn’t make me a bigot. Do you need a therapist? Judging by your comment I think maybe you do because I know I certainly don’t
Also I don’t care what’s in a trans woman’s pants but there’s not trans women in the OP she’s a woman!!

Trans people don't transition because they feel 'less of' though, they feel that their biological sex is incorrect, or incompatible with their gender identity. They transition to the gender they feel is correct.
If there are two competing realities, that of the physical reality of the body and that of the feelings in someone's head about their gender, why does one reality outweigh the other? And why is everybody else expected to go along with it?

True. Big giveaway in the title - it’s the ovaries that mark you out as an old fashioned die in the wool woman.

It's amazing how offensive and wrong people can be in just six words

If I am a woman with short hair and I wear men’s clothes - I can then transition into loving like a laydee. I can grow out my hair long and wear uber feminine clothes.

Thats about the height of most people’s transitions. Some clothes. A few more take some hormones. Very very few do surgery.

So changing clothes is transing - and it’s valid. I mean all this self-id bs says I only have to think therefore I am.

So I can just think I am a woman who is a man who wants to be a woman. As gender identity theory is subjective made up nonsense - this comfortably fits into the spectrum.

I’m confused. So you are saying only”transwomen are women” but that women cannot be transwomen? So therefore transwomen are not women though are they?

So you are saying only a man can become a “ transwoman”? And therefore they are not women? I do agree.

Indeed! Fausto-Sterling backtracked on that but it's hung around like winnets on a Persian cat's arse. Much like the term 'intersex'.