Would a biological woman identifying as a trans woman be accepted in the trans community?

I guess I’m thinking of it because if sex doesn’t matter why would it matter here? I can kind of imagine a woman identifying as trans. I’ve struggled with fertility problems and facial hair and various things that have made me feel less of a woman. I am old enough now to know that that experience in itself was fundamentally female, but for many years I just thought I was not a very good woman. Am rambling slightly. Thoughts aren’t formed really am just cogitating!

In my opinion no that would not make you trans. A stereotype is just basically just an idea of what something is or should be.

If you are a biological woman that likes cars and you say your gender is male then yes you’re trans but you’re not trans if you’re a biological woman who just happens to like cars.

If a dude can say he’s a woman. Then a woman can say she’s a transwoman.

The point of it is the fact that words are meaningless.

I know that. But isn’t a woman liking cars against gender stereotypes? So would I still be a “cis” woman or not? That’s the question? Because obviously my “gender” does not align with my sex. So would I be trans?

Yes and if you’re a man who likes dresses and changing in the ladies you’re still a man

If you’re a woman who likes make up and also likes cars… you’re still a woman

If you’re a woman who likes make up and also likes cars… you’re still a woman

But what if you think gender is a load of outdated, sexist tropes and stereotypes? I mean, without that load of old cobblers, what exactly is gender? There is no way to define it without them is there? So therefore ”cis” means a person who follows those sexist, outdated stereotypes? But to what extent? How strict do you have to follow them to be called “cis”. What if you’re a woman who likes makeup but also likes cars? Are you “cis”?

A woman. I don’t know why people don’t just say a woman and need to add ‘cis’ to it. It means someone who’s gender matches their sex

Where did I suggest a trans female isn’t a gender identity?

Where did I say people can’t identify as what they like?

’my’ definition isn’t my definition it’s what comes up when you search the definition of transition.

As I women I have short hair and wear jeans.

I identify as a man with gender dysphoria. It’s a different sex to which I was born into.

I permanently adopt long hair and dresses.

I have completed my transition. How dare you suggest trans female isn’t a gender identity?

I can identify as I like.

Self identification is a thought experiment.

Permanetly adopting the outward characteristics that match a gender I identify with is a thought experiment. I can make up a gender identity and its characteristics. Your ‘definition’ isn’t clear in law.

You can acquire a gender recognition certificate of your male gender while having penis in vagina sex and birthing babies while wearing dresses.

Transition by definition is
the process that a transgender person permanently adopts the outward or physical characteristics that match the gender they identify as opposed to the sex they were born

So a man having breast implants or a woman having surgery to remove breasts would be a transition. Biologically they are still the same sex they were born as.

I think that it means a woman who comes from the Italian side of the Alps.

It’s strange but I met a biological woman who was transitioning into a man once. Their whole personality/ tone/ manner/ look was like a caricature of a camp gay man. I Thought if I was a gay man I would have been really offended by their interpretation of masculinity. It was like a bad impression/ pantomime. Plus they were attracted to men, so they went from heterosexual woman to gay man. I wonder how common that is. It is hard to think of the mental gymnastics. Feeling born in the wrong body but identifying not as a straight man but as a feminine man who enjoys face cream/ masks/ pedicures/ ‘women’s films’/ clothes/ make up. If we are told these things define our gender, then why not just stay a heterosexual woman?
I wonder if that’s too straightforward and boring? There’s no opportunity to feel marginalised.

What’s a cis woman? I mean I know a “transwoman” is a male claiming a trans identity, so what is a “cis” woman?

Define any transition - what does it mean? Who decides what it is?

Transition in most cases is a thought experiment. No one transitions - because a man who wants to identify in another gender does not transition.

Trans identifying men are a distinct group.

They are biological men who think they are women.

Say I am a biological woman. I can think I am a man who thinks they are a women. It’s different to being a woman as it’s actually being a man with a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. And why not? It’s all a thought experiment.

No one actually transitions to anything else. Men are men. Women are women. Transitions are a thought experiment.

What’s a cis woman? I mean I know a “transwoman” is a male claiming a trans identity, so what is a “cis” woman?

But it’s also meaningless in the case of a man wanting to be a woman.

Define any transition - what does it mean? Who decides what it is?

Transition in most cases is a thought experiment. No one transitions - because a man who wants to identify in another gender does not transition.

Trans identifying men are a distinct group.

They are biological men who think they are women.

Say I am a biological woman. I can think I am a man who thinks they are a women. It’s different to being a woman as it’s actually being a man with a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. And why not? It’s all a thought experiment.

No one actually transitions to anything else. Men are men. Women are women. Transitions are a thought experiment.

It’s strange but I met a biological woman who was transitioning into a man once. Their whole personality/ tone/ manner/ look was like a caricature of a camp gay man. I Thought if I was a gay man I would have been really offended by their interpretation of masculinity. It was like a bad impression/ pantomime. Plus they were attracted to men, so they went from heterosexual woman to gay man. I wonder how common that is. It is hard to think of the mental gymnastics. Feeling born in the wrong body but identifying not as a straight man but as a feminine man who enjoys face cream/ masks/ pedicures/ ‘women’s films’/ clothes/ make up. If we are told these things define our gender, then why not just stay a heterosexual woman?
I wonder if that’s too straightforward and boring? There’s no opportunity to feel marginalised.

You say transition is meaningless but that’s what I’m saying in the case of a biological woman wanting to be a trans woman

Of course. Because cis women are women and so are trans women. So they're all just women.

You say transition is meaningless but that’s what I’m saying in the case of a biological woman wanting to be a trans woman

Your absolute word salad paragraph just goes to show the utter nonsensical status of the debate around this.

If a biological man = transwoman = woman

Then biological woman = transman = man = transwoman = woman

You can no more transition from a woman to a woman as a man to a woman

Transition is meaningless.

Define transition?