Girlguiding faces legal action from parent over trans policy

Girl Guiding portrays itself as a single sex organisation for females. It uses the exemptions for associations as detailed in the EQA2010 to restrict its membership to a single sex (female). But it is continuing to ignore the confirmation by the Supreme Court Judgement that single sex means biological sex by admitting males. While continuing to claim that they are 'girl only'. They have betrayed their own principles.

Many surveys of parents and girls in the units show that they wish GG to remain single sex. But it's not. So they are betraying girls for the feelings of boys. And you, in defending this, are centering boys at the expense of girls.

Your mention of lesbians, in an absurd attempt at conflation with the much higher sexual offending rates of males, is as offensive as it is predictable. Hence the bingo card.

The fact I'm having to explain this to ( I'm assuming) a grown adult is quite astonishing.

I was a leader in Beavers and Cubs. I dislike the implication that we weren't a safe space for any child. The boys and girls I supported had fun and thrived and were definitely in a safe space.

This is boggling. So this charity agrees that a small number of parents should be able to enforce validation for their own parenting of their distressed and confused sons, at the direct expense of a safe space for girl children? And this charity wants to attract unsafe adult men to apply as volunteers by giving good new access to girls and women, that previously only adult women were allowed? When women are statistically so much safer than men?

It’s so clearly not in their remit to support the adult wish for child or adult male validation and/or to increase adult male access to child or adult female bodies. Why is this not immediately obvious to some people?
You can’t give one child a safe space by taking a safe space away from another child.

It shows how we are already living in a deeply sexist society.. because this policy only makes sense if men and boys inherently deserve more rights than women and girls do.

What astonishes me reading these posts is the ongoing conflation of sexuality (and by that I don't mean genetic sex) and gender... The truth is that most trans girls (and they are in a very small minority) have probably been through hell in their journey to express their gender identity and are desperately in need of a safe girl-only space in which they can be their true selves and find some solace away from the very same damaging patriarchal behaviour and mysogeny that the majority of posters on here are calling out. Its simply is NOT the case that a boy would put on girls clothes and live his every day life as a GIRL just so that he could infiltrate female only spaces - that makes absolutely no sense! And what about lesbian leaders? Are we saying they shouldn't have access to female only spaces? No. Because they've been through safeguarding checks - the same checks that a trans man or a cis man would go through. And queer girl-guides? What to do with them? Because that absolutely exists, but no-one seems to be worrying (quite rightly) about conduct in same sex spaces because there are standards that are upheld and safeguarding procedures in place to deal with issues and misconduct. We already have all of the tools, procedures and policies in place to welcome trans girls to girl-guiding, the only thing standing in the way is a broken ruling from the supreme court (which organisations have the freedom to interpret) and, yes, I'm sorry to say it, but transphobia and utter ignorance surrounding trans-identity from the majority of people posting on this thread. Go ahead and shoot me down. I stand by the fact that trans-girls are amongst the bravest, most vulnerable and most maligned, abused girls in our society and they deserve our support, not our hate

It's the usual misogynistic bullshite where women and girls are seen as nothing more than human shields, a resource to be utilized, validation support, support humans, non character players.

And being espoused by the organisation which used to celebrate girls. It's utterly shameful.

FFS, the girl might be harassed by a female or a male. There will be no scouts or girl guides if this nonsense isn't stopped.

Good Lord. Who brought you up to believe that women and girls are nothing more than a resource for men and boys?

Support humans, denying their own name, space and feelings, just in order to validate the sex that you think is vastly more important.

Shocking, I know, but women and girls are human, and we operate independently. We're not just a service for males.

edited to add:

the only thing standing in the way is a broken ruling from the supreme court (which organisations have the freedom to interpret)

lol

What astonishes me reading these posts is the ongoing conflation of sexuality (and by that I don't mean genetic sex) and gender... The truth is that most trans girls (and they are in a very small minority) have probably been through hell in their journey to express their gender identity and are desperately in need of a safe girl-only space in which they can be their true selves and find some solace away from the very same damaging patriarchal behaviour and mysogeny that the majority of posters on here are calling out. Its simply is NOT the case that a boy would put on girls clothes and live his every day life as a GIRL just so that he could infiltrate female only spaces - that makes absolutely no sense! And what about lesbian leaders? Are we saying they shouldn't have access to female only spaces? No. Because they've been through safeguarding checks - the same checks that a trans man or a cis man would go through. And queer girl-guides? What to do with them? Because that absolutely exists, but no-one seems to be worrying (quite rightly) about conduct in same sex spaces because there are standards that are upheld and safeguarding procedures in place to deal with issues and misconduct. We already have all of the tools, procedures and policies in place to welcome trans girls to girl-guiding, the only thing standing in the way is a broken ruling from the supreme court (which organisations have the freedom to interpret) and, yes, I'm sorry to say it, but transphobia and utter ignorance surrounding trans-identity from the majority of people posting on this thread. Go ahead and shoot me down. I stand by the fact that trans-girls are amongst the bravest, most vulnerable and most maligned, abused girls in our society and they deserve our support, not our hate

You're just reinforcing everything I've stated above without actually engaging in any type of meaningful exchange. Please enlighten me and explain how my post centres boys rights over the rights of girls and trans girls) and disparages lesbians. Id also be glad to hear your interpretation of the legal standing.

You're just reinforcing everything I've stated above without actually engaging in any type of meaningful exchange. Please enlighten me and explain how my post centres boys rights over the rights of girls and trans girls) and disparages lesbians. Id also be glad to hear your interpretation of the legal standing.

Rather a long winded way of stating that you believe that boys are more imponrtant than girls.

But I was able to tick off a few boxes on my TRA Guiding Bingo card!

Mention of lesbians - tick
Complete lack of understanding of the EQA2010 and the Supreme Court judgement - tick
Boys being 'bravest, most vulnerable and oppressed' - tick
Conflation of sex and gender (when referring to a single sex group) - tick

And so on and so on.

If 'trans boys' want validation, they can join the Scouts and pretend to be girls in an actual mixed sex organisation (though I feel rather sorry for the Scouting girls in that case).

What astonishes me reading these posts is the ongoing conflation of sexuality (and by that I don't mean genetic sex) and gender... The truth is that most trans girls (and they are in a very small minority) have probably been through hell in their journey to express their gender identity and are desperately in need of a safe girl-only space in which they can be their true selves and find some solace away from the very same damaging patriarchal behaviour and mysogeny that the majority of posters on here are calling out. Its simply is NOT the case that a boy would put on girls clothes and live his every day life as a GIRL just so that he could infiltrate female only spaces - that makes absolutely no sense! And what about lesbian leaders? Are we saying they shouldn't have access to female only spaces? No. Because they've been through safeguarding checks - the same checks that a trans man or a cis man would go through. And queer girl-guides? What to do with them? Because that absolutely exists, but no-one seems to be worrying (quite rightly) about conduct in same sex spaces because there are standards that are upheld and safeguarding procedures in place to deal with issues and misconduct. We already have all of the tools, procedures and policies in place to welcome trans girls to girl-guiding, the only thing standing in the way is a broken ruling from the supreme court (which organisations have the freedom to interpret) and, yes, I'm sorry to say it, but transphobia and utter ignorance surrounding trans-identity from the majority of people posting on this thread. Go ahead and shoot me down. I stand by the fact that trans-girls are amongst the bravest, most vulnerable and most maligned, abused girls in our society and they deserve our support, not our hate

What astonishes me reading these posts is the ongoing conflation of sexuality (and by that I don't mean genetic sex) and gender... The truth is that most trans girls (and they are in a very small minority) have probably been through hell in their journey to express their gender identity and are desperately in need of a safe girl-only space in which they can be their true selves and find some solace away from the very same damaging patriarchal behaviour and mysogeny that the majority of posters on here are calling out. Its simply is NOT the case that a boy would put on girls clothes and live his every day life as a GIRL just so that he could infiltrate female only spaces - that makes absolutely no sense! And what about lesbian leaders? Are we saying they shouldn't have access to female only spaces? No. Because they've been through safeguarding checks - the same checks that a trans man or a cis man would go through. And queer girl-guides? What to do with them? Because that absolutely exists, but no-one seems to be worrying (quite rightly) about conduct in same sex spaces because there are standards that are upheld and safeguarding procedures in place to deal with issues and misconduct. We already have all of the tools, procedures and policies in place to welcome trans girls to girl-guiding, the only thing standing in the way is a broken ruling from the supreme court (which organisations have the freedom to interpret) and, yes, I'm sorry to say it, but transphobia and utter ignorance surrounding trans-identity from the majority of people posting on this thread. Go ahead and shoot me down. I stand by the fact that trans-girls are amongst the bravest, most vulnerable and most maligned, abused girls in our society and they deserve our support, not our hate

What astonishes me reading these posts is the ongoing conflation of sexuality (and by that I don't mean genetic sex) and gender... The truth is that most trans girls (and they are in a very small minority) have probably been through hell in their journey to express their gender identity and are desperately in need of a safe girl-only space in which they can be their true selves and find some solace away from the very same damaging patriarchal behaviour and mysogeny that the majority of posters on here are calling out. Its simply is NOT the case that a boy would put on girls clothes and live his every day life as a GIRL just so that he could infiltrate female only spaces - that makes absolutely no sense! And what about lesbian leaders? Are we saying they shouldn't have access to female only spaces? No. Because they've been through safeguarding checks - the same checks that a trans man or a cis man would go through. And queer girl-guides? What to do with them? Because that absolutely exists, but no-one seems to be worrying (quite rightly) about conduct in same sex spaces because there are standards that are upheld and safeguarding procedures in place to deal with issues and misconduct. We already have all of the tools, procedures and policies in place to welcome trans girls to girl-guiding, the only thing standing in the way is a broken ruling from the supreme court (which organisations have the freedom to interpret) and, yes, I'm sorry to say it, but transphobia and utter ignorance surrounding trans-identity from the majority of people posting on this thread. Go ahead and shoot me down. I stand by the fact that trans-girls are amongst the bravest, most vulnerable and most maligned, abused girls in our society and they deserve our support, not our hate

And what makes me so sad about the direction Girl Guiding has taken is that during my time in Guiding (and I was in every section - Rainbow to Guider), it was proudly pro female. It was acknowledged that having a girl only space (which they still claim to have until you really drill down in their policies) meant that girls could develop friendships, develop their skills and become strong leaders, unafraid to use their voice and challenge things in the knowledge that they weren't having to step aside for boys or having to diminish their achievements or to find themselves shouted down by boys (as we so often find in the workplace or in meetings etc). I was immensely proud to be part of that worldwide sisterhood of Guiding.

But because, despite there already being a mixed sex organisation in which boys who 'feel like girls' could join and be alongside girls and boys, boy's feelings are being prioritised over girls, girls lose out.

I would actually have more respect for GG if they just admitted that they have become a mixed sex organisation and dropped their pretense that they are 'proudly girl only'. But they don't want to drop their (deceptive) USP.