Girlguiding faces legal action from parent over trans policy

I'm assuming any confused young girls who think they are trans will still be welcome. So not trans exclusionary.

But it’s not GGUK that is doing harm to young boys - it’s society; schools; the affirmation model that tells a fragile and confused little boy that he is, in fact, a girl; it’s activist/homophobic/toxic parents who have encouraged that little boy to feel less than perfect exactly as he is. It is not the responsibility of little girls in GGUK to rectify this complex social issue. It is society at large, within a framework that includes school, social services, CAMHS, the NHS and family support service, that needs to change to protect them. In the interim, there is Scouts and a whole host of mixed sex youth organisations to welcome the little boys themselves.

I’m aware of the harm done to young boys by telling them they can be girls if they want to be.
Allowing them to cause harm to actual girls by joining girl guides and parodying girlhood is not the answer?
I don’t think it’s me who needs to have a long hard look at themselves, tbh.

And their best interests have been served by this decision.

But if you have become so jaded by the fighting between the GC and TRA movements that you do not care about the harms being done to young boys by it, you should take a step back and have a serious look at yourself. Children are children.

Well, no, in Girlguiding you should always have had the best interest of girls at heart.
The clue is right there in the name.

Done and raised safeguarding concern about how biologically sexed men are recorded for safeguarding no matter their gender ideology.

I agree. A lot of these boys are vulnerable in one way or another and they should have been given appropriate support and direction. They will now feel upset and that something has been taken away from them, because they were told by adults that they had a right to be there.

No, they never should have been in guiding. But remember these are still children and those of us in the scouting and guiding movements should always have the best interests of children at heart.

I wasn’t expelled from Guiding but I was made to feel so uncomfortable by the local leadership team about something I posted on FB about the risks of mixed sex Brownie residentials (I was given a warning) that I left. I was a DC at the time too.
I feel like writing to the local leadership to tell them I was right after all.

Exactly. They could have joined Scouting and expressed their gender identity in a mixed sex organisation to their heart's content. Joining a (supposedly) single sex organisation which used an association and club exemption to keep other boys out shows that validation was the main aim, at the expense of girls.

And as we keep saying, girls and women aren't validation tools, a resource to be exploited, human shields etc.

My suggestion is that you go to www.girlguiding.org.uk/about-us/contact-us and add a comment like this:

"I'm glad to see your statement at www.girlguiding.org.uk/information-for-volunteers/updates-for-our-members/equality-diversity-policy-statement confirming a sex-realist policy. Will you be contacting to the Guide Leaders who you ousted for their alleged transphobia now and will you offer them re-instatement and/or an apology?"

Btw, it was Helen Watts who was expelled in 2018 after "a number of complaints" because she said girls had a right to "female-only spaces". www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45642054

Why? They can join Cubs, where they should have been all along.

I do feel sorry for the confused young boys who will be having to give up something that they enjoyed. They have been hugely let down by their adults who should have supported them to express their personality but explained that you can't just change sex and that the right to be who you want to be doesn't give you privileges to take away other's rights

Those of us who are sex realistic and who are in the huge majority keep our heads down and don't post in case we are hounded.
Unfortunately a small number of men have managed to gain a lot of influence and women are still scared.
I know I don't have the confidence to disagree in public

Its all about how sad they are that boys and men can no longer LARP as Girguides.
Still unclear about the dodgy male leaders.

That's being sarcastic - and a bit mean. Apologies. I'm certain there are countless leaders focused on the needs of girls despite the leadership.

I’ve just received the email. I’ve never read such a load of rubbish in my life. Ridiculous pandering statement. Boys have had so much throughout history, so many opportunities, and one of the few places that girls can go just to be with other girls and only girls, is saying they can’t accept non girls ‘With a heavy heart’ fgs.

as a parent I got this email claiming it is “with a heavy heart” and offering email responses. So let’s inundate them with emails giving support for common sense! [email protected]

That's what I thought. Leaving many subservient trad wife type in thrall to the wonder and demands of men?

But didn’t most GC leaders get kicked out or bullied out?

Depressing how many leaders are kicking off about it on Facebook

The statement is with bad grace but thank goodness the law and sense has prevailed

Finally. GG has just updated the diversity policy.
We are single sex for members.