Scottish Government win review for the right to place men in women's prisons

I think that was just a little election boost. The total is £1.43 million. Has he had value for his investment? I think so - LDs regularly decline themselves for gender ideology.

The Liberal Democrat party has an interesting and generous benefactor. Over the last six years Swedish billionaire, Frederick Paulsen, has donated £1.43 million to the party through the UK subsidiary, Ferring Pharmaceuticals Ltd, of his Swiss-based company, Ferring.
The chairman of Ferring has been particularly generous in the run-up to this week’s election. As first disclosed in the Sunday Times, Paulsen gave the Lib Dems another £100,000 on November 22 to help fight its campaign.
According to the Electoral Commission, this brings Ferring’s total donations to the party to £1.43m since 2013.

www.reaction.life/p/the-swedish-puberty-block-drugs-baron-and-the-lib-dems

And of course, the £100,000 which the Lib Dems received in December 2019 from Ferry Pharmaceuticals, who produce triptorelin, a puberty blocker.

Aye, and what does Lord David Sainsbury think about trans people wanting in to opposite-sexed spaces? Likewise, the other donors?

This is a really important comparison.
I read that story about Harkins with my jaw on the floor. The police should be ashamed of themselves, but instead they're finding it "difficult" to apologise to the women victims!!! Instead they point to the success of the court case, which was only started because of one of the female victims went to the media, not the police. But, if a man thinks a woman has so much as touched the speshul man's brolly, she can expect the full force of the law on her head.
Disgusting, infuriating. What a broken society we live in.

The Lib Dems might be tiny, but they've got plenty of funders

"The top donors to Lib Dems are:
Lord David Sainsbury (£10,125,000.00),
THE JOSEPH ROWNTREE REFORM TRUST Ltd (£3,428,322.00),
Brompton Capital Ltd (£1,909,126.00),
Mark E Petterson (£1,538,467.50),
George G Watson (£1,376,502.53).

The largest single donation was £8,000,000.00 from Lord David Sainsbury on December 1, 2019."

Combination of wheesht for Indy and Keir Starmer fucking yo Scottish Labour’s chances.

Nats

I don’t understand why the SNP are still set to be the biggest party at the next election.

Going back to the original question; how do we enforce this? If the ministers are so bloody-minded and the police captured, that leaves us with the press and public uproar. Come to think of it, would this be something Westminster would intervene in as it would contradict Equality Law across the union? (Not a lawyer; just stabbing in the dark).

I really hope FWS sends in the bailiffs for their award.

Right, got you now. Yes, they can't argue that to win this review without incriminating themselves. They could try to argue it after the review to abolish single-sex prisons, if they lose the review.

But then they would have to say their current arrangements are unlawful and open themselves up to discrimination claims from all current prisoners.

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The Tories are largely funded by the rich, who see donations as a small price to pay for tax breaks, anti-union laws, and other means of preserving their wealth.

Labour are largely funded by the unions.

Who will want to fund the Lib Dems and Greens? Tiny parties, not likely to form a govt on their own, they don't look worth your while at first, but they can make or break a vote if the ruling party's majority is small enough. And of course, they can be coalition partners with the big two in Westminster, or with the SNP in Scotland. They are inherently vulnerable to being suborned to a fringe issue by entryists and deep-pocketed donors.

Yup, and I wouldn't put it past the Scots Govt to try to argue for fully mixed-sex prisons, using "we have no figures from the UK to prove that women are actually at risk, as opposed to feeling at risk" as reasoning. They are determined to die on the TWAW hill and, if the SC ruling says they can't put TW in women's jails, they will try to abolish single-sex jails.

The people they are seeking to appeal to are Green and Lib Dem MSPs who could be potential coalition partners.

The SNP focusing on the really important stuff again as health, education, social care and early years burns to the fucking ground.

Remember you are arguing for fully mixed sex, not single sex with a few men - that is not an option. So if they cannot justify single sex prisons then the current arrangements would be unlawful.

You are suggesting it will be hard to ask women if they would feel intimidated if locked up with violent male offenders? Or that they would find such an environment hostile? And there is plenty of evidence of rape when women have been locked up with male offenders around the globe.

Are you familiar with the use of "fun" to mean "difficult"?

We've not put men en masse into the same prisons as women for 200 years, so there's no statistical direct evidence that we can cite concerning detriment. We have to extrapolate from how men behave everywhere else, and that's classed as weaker evidence.

It's obvious to you and me that putting men in women's prisons is a stupid idea. The challenge is proving it in the face of a hostile barrister who is instructed to pull out all the stops by a govt fighting tooth-and-nail to defend the indefensible with effectively unlimited funds to throw at doing so.

Fun? To show that mixed sex prisons are dangerous for women? Are you suggesting there is any doubt?

Yes. I wouldn't trust the Scottish govt not to try to claim that prisons aren't actually really single-sex, because of the transgender case panel system, and try to throw the doors open to explicitly mixed-sex prisons. The alternative is Personperson and her ilk having to admit that they are wrong, and they would sooner see men raping women in prison than admit to being wrong.

In fact, you could take "in prison" out of my last sentence and it would still be correct.