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Scottish Government win review for the right to place men in women's prisons

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ArabellaSaurus · 06/11/2025 12:07

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/snp-court-battle-to-allow-trans-women-in-female-prisons-rpn2dff79

https://archive.ph/Dw1Wl

'SNP ministers are to fight in court to defend the right of biologically male criminals who identify as women to serve sentences in female jails.
A KC representing the Scottish government told a judge at the Court of Session in Edinburgh on Wednesday that self-ID policies in jails will remain a “live issue” in a new legal case, suggesting ministers are determined to keep them in place'

'Gerry Moynihan KC, representing the Scottish government, confirmed that controversial schools guidance, which allowed trans girls into female facilities and for biological boys to compete in female sports, had been “withdrawn”.

However, he confirmed that the Scottish government did not plan to back down on its prisons policy, which was rewritten after <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/Dw1Wl/www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/nicola-sturgeon-trans-women-isla-bryson-77g8zzbll" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">the Isla Bryson scandal but still allows male-born criminals to serve sentences in women’s jails if they say they identify as female.'.

'For Women Scotland had wanted their bid to have the schools and prisons policies “reduced”, meaning quashed by the courts, to be conducted under an “ordinary” procedure, which it was hoped would be quicker, cheaper and more straightforward than a judicial review.
However, Moynihan successfully argued that the case should instead proceed under the more complex route, a move likely to lead to increased costs for taxpayers'
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'A timetable will be set in the coming weeks with a substantive hearing to decide matters expected to last two days.'

SNP court battle to allow trans women in female prisons

The Scottish government refuses to back down on its jails policy and has secured a review in the Court of Session, meaning a longer legal battle over the issue

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/snp-court-battle-to-allow-trans-women-in-female-prisons-rpn2dff79

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selffellatingouroborosofhate · 26/11/2025 14:07

I wish the Times would just write "some men" in the headline.

RoostingHens · 19/11/2025 11:50

deliberately weaponise female kindness

Isn’t that the whole point of socialising females to ‘be kind’?

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 18/11/2025 21:21

DrBlackbird · 17/11/2025 16:53

…prey on female socialisation to be kind and get around our boundaries in this way, making the man an object of sympathy and tricking women embraced him as a “sisters”.

From the Gender Critical blog on James Morton - if that is a correctly attributed quote, then I just cannot get over how someone would deliberately weaponise female kindness to force men into women’s prison estates. Just how lacking in any kind of empathy do you have to be to argue this?!

I just cannot get over how someone would deliberately weaponise female kindness to force men into women’s prison estates.

A woman weaponised female kindness to harm women. James Morton is a woman.

It doesn't surprise me in the least that her internalised misogyny is this strong. She literally poisoned herself with testosterone to attempt to escape her own womanhood.

DuesToTheDirt · 17/11/2025 18:37

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 07/11/2025 09:03

That’s why this action seems so bizarre. It’s so simple. I presume they’re not arguing that they want to make all prisons mixed sex, in which case they are going to lose this case (presuming FWS don’t run out of money first, which may be what the Scottish Government are counting on)

Bankrupting FWS is the only motivation I can see for this.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 17/11/2025 17:01

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DrBlackbird · 17/11/2025 16:56

Igneococcus · 11/11/2025 06:45

I suggested something similar before @Teathecolourofcreosote
John Swinney is also on record of saying that even if he had undeniable evidence that Scotland would be considerably worse of following independence he would still go ahead with it so maybe he simply can't let something go once he latched onto it.

Autistic rigid thinking and hyperfocus?

DrBlackbird · 17/11/2025 16:53

Heggettypeg · 06/11/2025 20:59

Me neither.
Some women really hate women, don't they.

…prey on female socialisation to be kind and get around our boundaries in this way, making the man an object of sympathy and tricking women embraced him as a “sisters”.

From the Gender Critical blog on James Morton - if that is a correctly attributed quote, then I just cannot get over how someone would deliberately weaponise female kindness to force men into women’s prison estates. Just how lacking in any kind of empathy do you have to be to argue this?!

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 16/11/2025 05:18

"...A single-sex space that is open to people of both sexes ceases to be a single-sex space."

Simple enough for even a simpleton to get, it says a lot that our elected leaders don't get it, what grade of intelligence is there below simpleton I wonder.

NO MALES IN FEMALE GAOLS. 🤬

Igneococcus · 15/11/2025 18:58

I liked this bit:
"You might think Labour in London would learn some lessons from the SNP in Edinburgh but their reluctance to do so is further evidence of the extent to which gender woo-woo has buried itself deep in both our governing parties. It is a kind of woodworm for the brain."

Scottish National Party

Scottish National Party

https://www.thetimes.com/topic/scottish-national-party

DuesToTheDirt · 15/11/2025 18:56

Igneococcus · 15/11/2025 17:55

“opportunities to participate in activities and programmes taking place in the estate of the individual’s affirmed gender”. A kind of play-date for pretenders.

Grin
MrsOvertonsWindow · 14/11/2025 09:05

ArabellaSaurus · 14/11/2025 07:40

Oh, fuck off, Alan.

Lol.
That seems to be the same reaction as most of the commentators.
A universal view 😂

Igneococcus · 14/11/2025 07:45

ArabellaSaurus · 14/11/2025 07:40

Oh, fuck off, Alan.

Yeah, that was my reaction too.
I do think though that this is probably a bit how JS thinks and sees this issue as well, it's all part of the big evil English ploy to oppress Scotland.

ArabellaSaurus · 14/11/2025 07:40

Oh, fuck off, Alan.

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ArabellaSaurus · 11/11/2025 11:48

Gesturing vaguely at a pretence of pushing for indie isn't the same as actually taking action towards that goal, though.

If Scotland became independent, all those very well paid SNP politicians would be out of a job. That would be an awful shame for them.

It's far easier to play pretendy politics in Holyrood for 80k per annum.

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Needspaceforlego · 11/11/2025 11:29

But they are going on about trying to get another referendum. Which is the last thing Scotland needs.
I know far too many young people with degrees etc working in pubs.

ArabellaSaurus · 11/11/2025 11:18

Needspaceforlego · 11/11/2025 11:05

I think you might have nailed it SNP trying to go against the SC.
Oh look the UK won't let us so we should be independent...

Bear in mind the SNP in current form have no wish or impetus for independence, though. The set up suits them fine as it is.

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Needspaceforlego · 11/11/2025 11:05

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 11/11/2025 09:20

This is the way the SNP operate. We’ve seen it time and time again with various pieces of legislation like Named Person for example.

There is no evidence that will sway the SNP from the path they’re on.

Same with independence when even their own Growth Commission report shows we’ll be worse off for many decades they continue with their goal.

we need to be rid of them. Its depressing that at one point it looked like Labour would overtake them and then Starmer fucked it up.

I think you might have nailed it SNP trying to go against the SC.
Oh look the UK won't let us so we should be independent...

RoostingHens · 11/11/2025 10:22

The courts have to do what the Holyrood and its committees seem totally unable to do.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 11/11/2025 09:20

BundleBoogie · 10/11/2025 21:27

Thanks for the share. I can’t understand what’s wrong with him.

What is driving him to ignore the information he’s being given? He’s ignoring the law and preparing to challenge it somehow even though it doesn’t seem like he’s got a leg to stand on.

There must be more to his stance than meets the eye.

This is the way the SNP operate. We’ve seen it time and time again with various pieces of legislation like Named Person for example.

There is no evidence that will sway the SNP from the path they’re on.

Same with independence when even their own Growth Commission report shows we’ll be worse off for many decades they continue with their goal.

we need to be rid of them. Its depressing that at one point it looked like Labour would overtake them and then Starmer fucked it up.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 11/11/2025 08:23

Igneococcus · 10/11/2025 21:32

I'm as baffled by it as you are. It's incomprehensible.

I remember feeling this way about sturgeon’s mad adherence to this nonsense

in the end I assumed money was in the mix somewhere

INeedAPensieve · 11/11/2025 08:10

It's so depressing that SNP are still considered leading in the polls next may. I have been telling as many people as I can in real life how bad they are, I was an SNP supporter and voted for them for years, they've betrayed their core voters as well as women of Scotland. Idiots.

Igneococcus · 11/11/2025 06:45

I suggested something similar before @Teathecolourofcreosote
John Swinney is also on record of saying that even if he had undeniable evidence that Scotland would be considerably worse of following independence he would still go ahead with it so maybe he simply can't let something go once he latched onto it.