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Times Interview with Kate Clanchy - shared article in post

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NorthSouthEast · 04/11/2025 10:48

This is a sobering, thoughtful, harrowing, blood-boiling read. What Kate Clanchy went through 😡. I’ve put this in FWR as it’s yet another story of a woman being cancelled on the basis of rumour, supposition and hearsay with self-righteous people scrambling to jump on the “be kind” wagon as it rolls another human being and their career into the mud.

Kate Clanchy: I was cancelled. It made me contemplate suicide

www.thetimes.com/article/7681d5ec-3773-4b36-ab95-e4ab409d7899?shareToken=e76def471fd13ded750d7295fd554675

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Ddakji · 13/11/2025 20:15

ArabellaSaurus · 13/11/2025 17:53

'to ensure and test (and monitor) a student's resilience'

What this sounds like is soliciting disclaimers and arse covering.

It sounds like a colossal grift to me.

ArabellaSaurus · 13/11/2025 17:53

'to ensure and test (and monitor) a student's resilience'

What this sounds like is soliciting disclaimers and arse covering.

BundleBoogie · 13/11/2025 17:41

musicismyboyfriend · 13/11/2025 14:50

You will need to be a little more specific, I'm afraid.

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You know what you posted. Just try thinking about how it comes across.

Ddakji · 13/11/2025 16:11

musicismyboyfriend · 13/11/2025 15:55

'subjected to'?

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Why are you not answering the question?

38thparallel · 13/11/2025 16:05

how would you?

@musicismyboyfriend I have no idea. You’re the one who is claiming expertise in this matter.

OldCrone · 13/11/2025 16:04

38thparallel · 13/11/2025 13:18

you suggesting that we shouldn't try to ensure and test (and monitor) a student's resilience to focus upon something personally very challenging for that length of time.

@musicismyboyfriend how do you test a student’s resilience?

@musicismyboyfriend I'd also be interested to know how you "ensure and test (and monitor) a student's resilience".

What tests are carried out? What monitoring is done?

I have to admit I don't understand what you mean by this statement at all, so some explanation would be very helpful.

musicismyboyfriend · 13/11/2025 15:55

Ddakji · 13/11/2025 15:54

Can you just answer the question? Because I got through my degree and dissertation without once being subjected to anything like this, so please educate me.

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'subjected to'?

Ddakji · 13/11/2025 15:54

musicismyboyfriend · 13/11/2025 15:45

I'm just interested in hearing how others might use their intuition to relate to young people.

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Can you just answer the question? Because I got through my degree and dissertation without once being subjected to anything like this, so please educate me.

musicismyboyfriend · 13/11/2025 15:45

Ddakji · 13/11/2025 15:13

You’re the one saying it should be done. How?

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I'm just interested in hearing how others might use their intuition to relate to young people.

Ddakji · 13/11/2025 15:13

musicismyboyfriend · 13/11/2025 14:33

how would you?

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You’re the one saying it should be done. How?

musicismyboyfriend · 13/11/2025 15:11

PenguinTimtam · 13/11/2025 15:03

You know that I actually was having fun right?

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Wow, is that why you come on here?

PenguinTimtam · 13/11/2025 15:03

musicismyboyfriend · 13/11/2025 12:17

Wow, you're really having fun in this imaginary world. It's not that deep.

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You know that I actually was having fun right?

musicismyboyfriend · 13/11/2025 14:50

BundleBoogie · 13/11/2025 13:04

Just take a look at your earlier posts.

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You will need to be a little more specific, I'm afraid.

musicismyboyfriend · 13/11/2025 14:33

38thparallel · 13/11/2025 13:18

you suggesting that we shouldn't try to ensure and test (and monitor) a student's resilience to focus upon something personally very challenging for that length of time.

@musicismyboyfriend how do you test a student’s resilience?

how would you?

38thparallel · 13/11/2025 13:18

you suggesting that we shouldn't try to ensure and test (and monitor) a student's resilience to focus upon something personally very challenging for that length of time.

@musicismyboyfriend how do you test a student’s resilience?

BundleBoogie · 13/11/2025 13:04

musicismyboyfriend · 13/11/2025 12:22

I would be very interested to know what it was about my comment that you thought was aggressive, shouty or combative?

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Just take a look at your earlier posts.

ArabellaSaurus · 13/11/2025 12:45

musicismyboyfriend · 13/11/2025 12:07

her students are able to recognise themselves in the writing

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Some of her students may recognise aspects of their own situations in the writing.

This is what 'fictionalised' means. She's written composite characters, based on or prompted by real events.

musicismyboyfriend · 13/11/2025 12:22

BundleBoogie · 12/11/2025 22:58

Exactly. And all of these totally believable claims delivered with an unexpectedly aggressive and combative tone from one supposedly immersed in kindness and safeguarding.

Maybe it gets a bit much in the day job and PP has to come here to work off some pent up shoutiness?

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I would be very interested to know what it was about my comment that you thought was aggressive, shouty or combative?

musicismyboyfriend · 13/11/2025 12:18

PenguinTimtam · 12/11/2025 21:20

Enjoy what?

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errr, reading the book?

musicismyboyfriend · 13/11/2025 12:17

PenguinTimtam · 12/11/2025 23:01

Dostoyevsky, we would like to inform you that you forgot to put trigger warnings on your traumatic experience release form, and unfortunately have caused violent harm to our trauma specialist based on her lived experience. We are now no longer able to support or publish you, and await your full and frank apology.

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Wow, you're really having fun in this imaginary world. It's not that deep.

musicismyboyfriend · 13/11/2025 12:16

Noodledog · 12/11/2025 22:16

@musicismyboyfriend I work at a university in the arts - even the level 6 students are supervised and protected by ethical frameworks to protect them when working creatively on something, such as a traumatic experience, which might cause them undue harm. They are discouraged from doing so and have to provide paperwork to acknowledge this, it’s basic safeguarding.

Well, that's the most insane thing I've read on the internet for a while, and it's such a crowded and competitive field. So congratulations, I guess.

Gosh. That's quite a reactionary way of seeing things. Level 6 Dissertations - 300-400 hours of work. Are you suggesting that we shouldn't try to ensure and test (and monitor) a student's resilience to focus upon something personally very challenging for that length of time? As I said, it's basic safeguarding and not 'insane'.

musicismyboyfriend · 13/11/2025 12:07

ArabellaSaurus · 12/11/2025 19:55

Its fictionalised, though.

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her students are able to recognise themselves in the writing

ArabellaSaurus · 13/11/2025 08:50

'Mr Orwell, let's try to focus on the nice, improving and soothing stories for a while, shall we? Art should be fun and wholesome!'

PenguinTimtam · 12/11/2025 23:01

Noodledog · 12/11/2025 22:29

"Dostoyevsky, it's an interesting idea, but before you start I do think you need a course of counselling to investigate how your grandmother's death affected you, in order to ensure you don't find the writing process traumatic and wounding to your psyche. And of course, you'll need to fill out the 15 page "how I will protect my mental well being during the creative process" form before you start. Don't forget the healing space we have available if you experience any challenging thoughts! I'm always here for you!"

Dostoyevsky, we would like to inform you that you forgot to put trigger warnings on your traumatic experience release form, and unfortunately have caused violent harm to our trauma specialist based on her lived experience. We are now no longer able to support or publish you, and await your full and frank apology.

BundleBoogie · 12/11/2025 22:58

PenguinTimtam · 12/11/2025 22:23

I can just imagine the scenario where each student is made to describe their traumatic experiences before being allowed to begin on any possible assignment.

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Exactly. And all of these totally believable claims delivered with an unexpectedly aggressive and combative tone from one supposedly immersed in kindness and safeguarding.

Maybe it gets a bit much in the day job and PP has to come here to work off some pent up shoutiness?