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theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw · 02/11/2025 10:09

They are relying on Schedule 12. The relevant explanatory note reads as follows:

877.This paragraph allows a single-sex institution to refuse to admit members of the opposite sex. An institution is defined as single-sex if it admits students of one sex only. An institution which exceptionally admits students of the opposite sex, or which admits a comparatively small number of opposite-sex students to particular courses or classes only, is still regarded as single-sex. Limiting those students to particular courses or classes is permitted. However, other forms of sex discrimination by the institution against its opposite-sex students would still be unlawful.
Examples

  • A women’s college which admits only female students is not discriminating unlawfully against men.
  • If the college admits a small number of men to make up the numbers on a particular course of study, it is still regarded as a single-sex college. It is not discriminating unlawfully by refusing to admit men to other courses.
  • A women’s college which admits men to certain courses but refuses to let them use the student cafeteria would be discriminating unlawfully against them.

(emboldening added by me)

This Schedule appears to be a carry-over from the SDA, intended to enable eg mixed-sex sixth forms and catering for students of disciplines favoured by the opposite sex (Steve goes to catering college/Debbie does motor mechanics). (It was a different world! Everything was supposed to go co-ed eventually. )

The qualification for a male to attend Newnham, then, is that it is being done "exceptionally", with no further explanation. I can see why their lawyers seized on it.

ArabellaSaurus · 02/11/2025 09:53

RogueFemale · 02/11/2025 09:48

I think, legally, it's discriminatory against men who don't 'identify', because they're letting in some biological men but not others.

Yes. Discrimination on the basis of sex is illegal. The EA permits exceptions, which allow discrimination where reasonable for a legitimate aim.

You can't include 'some men' on this basis.

RogueFemale · 02/11/2025 09:48

Justme56 · 02/11/2025 08:53

It’s such odd criteria for applications. A TM can change everything to M but if their birth certificate says F they’re in. A TW can change a driving licence to F and everything else remains M and they can apply. One document with F on is all it takes. It all seems very messy and I’m sure taking a deeper look probably discriminatory possibly against bio females with a GRC.

I think, legally, it's discriminatory against men who don't 'identify', because they're letting in some biological men but not others.

Justme56 · 02/11/2025 08:53

It’s such odd criteria for applications. A TM can change everything to M but if their birth certificate says F they’re in. A TW can change a driving licence to F and everything else remains M and they can apply. One document with F on is all it takes. It all seems very messy and I’m sure taking a deeper look probably discriminatory possibly against bio females with a GRC.

YouCantProveIt · 02/11/2025 08:46

Kurkara · 02/11/2025 07:28

Germaine Greer opposed the appointment of Rachel Padman to a fellowship at Newnham college in the 90s (Padman is male, trans identified).
So I don't know why they say this started in 2017.
Maybe fellows could be male in the 90s, but not undergraduates?
Or maybe admission on the basis of self-ID alone started in 2017?

I think they are still excluding men from the faculty but male undergraduates are welcome.

They’re allegedly using an exemption that doesn’t suit the facts. Let’s see how they fare. I suspect litigation is in their future.

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Howseitgoin · 02/11/2025 08:19

'We dare you'…..

I like it.

Kurkara · 02/11/2025 07:28

Germaine Greer opposed the appointment of Rachel Padman to a fellowship at Newnham college in the 90s (Padman is male, trans identified).
So I don't know why they say this started in 2017.
Maybe fellows could be male in the 90s, but not undergraduates?
Or maybe admission on the basis of self-ID alone started in 2017?

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