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Sex Matters are asking you to email your MP this weekend

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PachacutisBadAuntie · 31/10/2025 18:03

Re the delay in publishing the EHRC guidance. Can't see a thread on this yet, please do email if you can.

sex-matters.org/take-action/write-to-your-mp-the-government-must-stand-up-for-womens-rights/

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OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 10/11/2025 13:15

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cornflakejamtart · 10/11/2025 13:05

PachacutisBadAuntie · 10/11/2025 12:49

@cornflakejamtart you should reply and ask for details of the 'ongoing court challenges' just for a laugh

I am been thinking about replying! I’d quite like to him to expand on what he feels is unclear too. But you’re right, his response makes it very clear he doesn’t care so I’m not sure I’d even get a response.

PachacutisBadAuntie · 10/11/2025 12:49

@cornflakejamtart you should reply and ask for details of the 'ongoing court challenges' just for a laugh

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PachacutisBadAuntie · 10/11/2025 12:47

'EHRC ruling' = hasn't got a clue what he's on about and doesn't care

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lcakethereforeIam · 10/11/2025 12:43

Did he mean to say the SC ruling?

cornflakejamtart · 10/11/2025 12:33

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moto748e · 10/11/2025 12:25

Responses like that just increase the blood pressure!

cornflakejamtart · 10/11/2025 12:23

My MP replied. I’m disappointed by his response.

Thank you for getting in touch about this.

My approach to this issue has consistently been to try and emphasise the respect that we are all due in life, and the importance of compassion and empathy. I also, obviously, want to help people and organisations understand and comply with the law.

However, I fear that the EHRC ruling does not provide the clarity we would all wish. It was an 88 page ruling, and that, almost by definition, is not going to be straightforward. It is also subject to ongoing court challenges, especially in relation to how the judgement apparently contradicts the European Convention on Human Rights, and I have concerns over the practicability of some of it's provisions.

We all deserve the security and protection that the law can offer, and while this is especially true for women, I also think it's true for marginalised and vulnerable minorities.

RayneBowTrout · 09/11/2025 23:16

moto748e · 09/11/2025 21:31

Yes, right to be wary there! LRM may not still be around, but his spirit is still strong in the Labour Party. Is there any need for such legislation anyway? Is there evidence that gay people are being 'converted' out of homosexuality to any substantial degree, and is it right to give gender identity equal status with sexual orientation?

It's more than being a tad wary! No there no need. But it doesn't stop me from looking into where Labour was / is with the idea of it. B&H you have kids as young as 7 being taught about trans and gender identity at school, you had until recently GPs (Sam Hall) advocating Gillicks Competence / informed consent and prescribing kids puberty blockers; conversion is rife in Brighton

moto748e · 09/11/2025 22:46

I think part of the thing with the Labour Party is that it wasn't just about rooting out the so-called 'looney Left', because genderwoo is present across all wings of the Party. Well, it's in the Tories too, so there you go. And you don't quite get that ringing endorsement of trust that you might have hoped for from the PM!

NoWordForFluffy · 09/11/2025 22:25

moto748e · 09/11/2025 21:31

Yes, right to be wary there! LRM may not still be around, but his spirit is still strong in the Labour Party. Is there any need for such legislation anyway? Is there evidence that gay people are being 'converted' out of homosexuality to any substantial degree, and is it right to give gender identity equal status with sexual orientation?

No, no and no!

HildegardP · 09/11/2025 22:08

@RayneBowTrout I am very much in favour of concentrating Peter Kyle's mind on crafting an appropriate response to your email. 😈

moto748e · 09/11/2025 21:31

RayneBowTrout · 09/11/2025 20:39

I dread to think! I do remember Lloyd Russell Moyle pushing for it but Labour got rid of him. I started reading through this earlier to try and pin down a definition that Labour might adopt.
https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-9972/CBP-9972.pdf

Yes, right to be wary there! LRM may not still be around, but his spirit is still strong in the Labour Party. Is there any need for such legislation anyway? Is there evidence that gay people are being 'converted' out of homosexuality to any substantial degree, and is it right to give gender identity equal status with sexual orientation?

RayneBowTrout · 09/11/2025 20:48

@HildegardP Thank you! I have been overthinking my reply so this is very helpful in bringing me back to point.

HildegardP · 09/11/2025 20:41

RayneBowTrout · 09/11/2025 19:14

Labour response! Peter Kyle.
The sentence in bold is almost an exact echo from a previous email he sent. I then echoed it back in one of my add on queries to the Sex Matters Template / email; for it to pop up again in the reply, points to the high probability that none of my email was read and its a copy and paste job. None of my queries were addressed and the manipulative / shame calling to join his just be kind brigade is a departure from his past responses of generally making the right sort of utterances and noises regarding women and girls rights to SSS.

"Thank you for taking the time to write down your thoughts on the Supreme Court ruling. I now welcome the clarity that this judgement has provided. We must be mindful of the fear and worry this has placed in the trans community, but I’m sure you join me in providing assurances to the trans community across the country that Labour’s Equality Act is still there to protect them from discrimination and harassment.

The EHRC have now shared their formalised code of practice for services, public functions and associations with the UK government and the code is now being carefully considered. We also have a Minister for Women and Equalities with experience of protecting single-sex spaces, who ran a refuge for women fleeing abuse, who served on the APPG on Domestic and Sexual Violence – who knows the importance of these issues deeply and personally.

This Labour government continues to have an ambitious agenda to advance the dignity and respect of trans people – with a ban on conversion practices, high quality NHS care and measures to tackle hate crime and we continue to have an ambitious agenda to advance the dignity and respect of trans people – with a ban on conversion practices, high quality NHS care and measures to tackle hate crime but women’s safety, privacy and dignity must be protected in the wake of this landmark ruling.

Thanks for getting in touch."

I would definitely respond to that.
"Thank you for yr letter/ email of x date, it appears to have been sent to me in error rather than to its intended recipient as it does not answer any of my questions or respond to the points I raised. I attach a copy of my original email for your reference & await your response with interest."

RayneBowTrout · 09/11/2025 20:39

moto748e · 09/11/2025 19:54

The 'ban on conversion practices' being what, exactly?

I dread to think! I do remember Lloyd Russell Moyle pushing for it but Labour got rid of him. I started reading through this earlier to try and pin down a definition that Labour might adopt.
https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-9972/CBP-9972.pdf

moto748e · 09/11/2025 19:54

The 'ban on conversion practices' being what, exactly?

DuesToTheDirt · 09/11/2025 19:15

God they make me so mad. "We must be mindful of the fear and worry this has placed in the trans community", after basically sneaking self-ID in by the back door without a single thought for women's rights to privacy and safety.

RayneBowTrout · 09/11/2025 19:14

Labour response! Peter Kyle.
The sentence in bold is almost an exact echo from a previous email he sent. I then echoed it back in one of my add on queries to the Sex Matters Template / email; for it to pop up again in the reply, points to the high probability that none of my email was read and its a copy and paste job. None of my queries were addressed and the manipulative / shame calling to join his just be kind brigade is a departure from his past responses of generally making the right sort of utterances and noises regarding women and girls rights to SSS.

"Thank you for taking the time to write down your thoughts on the Supreme Court ruling. I now welcome the clarity that this judgement has provided. We must be mindful of the fear and worry this has placed in the trans community, but I’m sure you join me in providing assurances to the trans community across the country that Labour’s Equality Act is still there to protect them from discrimination and harassment.

The EHRC have now shared their formalised code of practice for services, public functions and associations with the UK government and the code is now being carefully considered. We also have a Minister for Women and Equalities with experience of protecting single-sex spaces, who ran a refuge for women fleeing abuse, who served on the APPG on Domestic and Sexual Violence – who knows the importance of these issues deeply and personally.

This Labour government continues to have an ambitious agenda to advance the dignity and respect of trans people – with a ban on conversion practices, high quality NHS care and measures to tackle hate crime and we continue to have an ambitious agenda to advance the dignity and respect of trans people – with a ban on conversion practices, high quality NHS care and measures to tackle hate crime but women’s safety, privacy and dignity must be protected in the wake of this landmark ruling.

Thanks for getting in touch."

fanOfBen · 09/11/2025 19:02

Mine hasn't replied either, whereas to previous letters I've had prompt (idiotic) replies. Possibly it's good news that they are being told to wait for something centrally coordinated? I noticed that over on reddit they are very concerned to send more letters than "we" do (and say they're leading 7k to 2k, though how up to date either of those figures is who know, and I'm not convinced numbers matter either provided it's clear both sides are watching) though somebody did have the temerity to point out that the EHRC guidance or lack of it doesn't change the law...

toomuchlikemyusername · 09/11/2025 18:04

Still waiting to hear from my labour MP. It’s been a week, I plan to give him one more before chasing.

Lovelyview · 09/11/2025 16:52

Still waiting.....

Daleksatemyshed · 09/11/2025 14:47

Mine's Labour and not a word...

HumbleCaptain · 09/11/2025 14:04

Done Hope he listens, a LibDem.

NoWordForFluffy · 09/11/2025 13:31

PachacutisBadAuntie · 09/11/2025 13:06

Mine's Labour and has replied (see above) but it does sound rather like a Comms team standard reply...

Ah yes. I shall await a carbon copy!