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Hoardasurass · 30/10/2025 18:05

Well the fox killer is going after ECB for banning men from women's cricket because its not a contact sport as if its not dangerous for women to play against men🙄
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/0a441988592697f4

English cricket facing legal action over transgender ban

Good Law Project claims ECB excluding those born male from competing in women’s game is ‘unlawful’ and has demanded decision is reversed

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/0a441988592697f4

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HildegardP · 10/11/2025 18:06

MistyGreenAndBlue · 10/11/2025 16:55

What king of name is Jolyon anyway? Is anybody else called that?
Waits to be schooled lol

Mediaeval English version of Julianus, the more usual contemporary form in England is Julian but as @Rightsraptor says, it had a tiny revival as a result of the Forsyte Saga but Maugham's paternal grandfather's name was Henry Jules Benedictus so perhaps it's a nod to that form of Julius (Julianus is the diminutive form of Julius).

SionnachRuadh · 10/11/2025 17:48

The Forsyte Saga was broadcast in about 1967 IIRC, and Jolyon was born in 1971. I assume his mum was a big fan.

Chersfrozenface · 10/11/2025 17:47

I consulted my actual paper Oxford Dictionary of names and as I suspected might be the case, it says under 'Jolyon' "see Julian".

Rightsraptor · 10/11/2025 17:10

MistyGreenAndBlue · 10/11/2025 16:55

What king of name is Jolyon anyway? Is anybody else called that?
Waits to be schooled lol

It's a name from 'The Forsyte Saga' to me, at least. It was a family name borne by several of the males.

The Forsytes had a family business and owned property in Mayfair and other such places. The trilogy follows the family through the ups and down of life.

Jolyon Maugham does not necessarily come from such a family ...

nicepotoftea · 10/11/2025 17:10

fromorbit · 10/11/2025 14:48

Long funny Telegraph article on the GLP's attempt to end women's cricket . It looks doomed and in failing will help destroy the wider assault on women's sport

Meet the group trying to dismantle British sports’ transgender ban
Good Law Project is suing the ECB on behalf of an unnamed trans cricketer in what could be ‘test case’ for rest of British sport
Until a fortnight ago, the closest Jolyon Maugham got to sporting notoriety was clubbing a fox to death with a baseball bat. But that will all change if the crusading KC’s Good Law Project succeeds in overturning a ban imposed on those born male playing in women’s sport.
Almost two weeks ago the Maugham-led GLP announced it had begun legal action against the England and Wales Cricket Board over the latter’s transgender participation policy. The threatened lawsuit is the latest attention-grabbing case taken on by the GLP, which was founded by Maugham, an arch-Remainer, in January 2017 in the wake of the Brexit referendum.

https://archive.is/par1J#

Fiona McAnena, director of campaigns for sex-based rights charity Sex Matters:

“The GLP’s case is that the rules can be negotiated on a player-by-player or game-by-game basis. The Rugby Football Union tried a case-by-case approach, but found that it was impossible to assess which male players should be allowed to play in women’s teams and which should not. The GLP suggestion that the rules can be varied on request seems unfair both to the trans players asking for permission, and to the women under pressure to ‘be kind’ against their own interests.”

Does the GLP understand how sport works?

nicepotoftea · 10/11/2025 17:02

MistyGreenAndBlue · 10/11/2025 16:55

What king of name is Jolyon anyway? Is anybody else called that?
Waits to be schooled lol

I don't think you can blame him for his name, but it might explain some of his actions.

He had a rather difficult family life.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 10/11/2025 16:55

What king of name is Jolyon anyway? Is anybody else called that?
Waits to be schooled lol

fromorbit · 10/11/2025 14:48

Long funny Telegraph article on the GLP's attempt to end women's cricket . It looks doomed and in failing will help destroy the wider assault on women's sport

Meet the group trying to dismantle British sports’ transgender ban
Good Law Project is suing the ECB on behalf of an unnamed trans cricketer in what could be ‘test case’ for rest of British sport
Until a fortnight ago, the closest Jolyon Maugham got to sporting notoriety was clubbing a fox to death with a baseball bat. But that will all change if the crusading KC’s Good Law Project succeeds in overturning a ban imposed on those born male playing in women’s sport.
Almost two weeks ago the Maugham-led GLP announced it had begun legal action against the England and Wales Cricket Board over the latter’s transgender participation policy. The threatened lawsuit is the latest attention-grabbing case taken on by the GLP, which was founded by Maugham, an arch-Remainer, in January 2017 in the wake of the Brexit referendum.

https://archive.is/par1J#

Davros · 03/11/2025 17:13

I’ve watched a LOT of cricket. The women’s and men’s games are distinctly different in terms of hitting length, speed of bowling etc. the rope is brought in for the women’s game so the pitch is smaller, allowing there to be more boundaries from less powerful hitting. As someone said upthread, the men regularly hit the ball into the crowd or onto the roof but the women hardly ever do, never mind bowling speeds

Alpacajigsaw · 03/11/2025 16:54

If pool was a gender affected activity, I think the chances of cricket NOT being are zero.

Bunch of fecking eejits

potpourree · 03/11/2025 14:42

SionnachRuadh · 03/11/2025 12:36

It's not even really making all sports mixed sex. At least not overtly mixed sex.

As with toilets, it seems to be really really important to have a category designated as "women only" but a certain subset of men get to have access to it.

May not be 'overtly' mixed sex, but that is Jolyon's aim. To have no sports where only one sex can compete together.

If he wanted it on the basis of gender then perhaps he could suggest a way to differentiate the genders? I suspect he'd say this was gatekeeping or down to each individual's feelings or something.

oldtiredcyclist · 03/11/2025 13:10

I should point out that Maxine Blythin is still on the books of Wiltshire women's cricket team, having left Kent in 2021. In Blythin's first season at Kent, they were made Kent Woman Cricketer of the Year. To say that cricket is a non contact sport is ridiculous, as evidenced in the video of Brett Lee bowling at Piers Morgan. I played at the Lords indoor centre as part of our company's cricket practice and faced a young Aussie solicitor who was a very fast bowler, no comparison to the stuff I faced in club cricket. The men's cricket ball weighs between 5.5 oz and 5.75 oz, the women's ball weighs between 4.94 oz and 5.31 oz. The fastest ever ball recorded in women's cricket, was bowled by Shabnim Ismail at 82.1 mph. The fastest recorded ball by a male bowler was Shoaib Akhtar at 100.2 mph.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxine_Blythin

Maxine Blythin - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxine_Blythin

SionnachRuadh · 03/11/2025 12:36

It's not even really making all sports mixed sex. At least not overtly mixed sex.

As with toilets, it seems to be really really important to have a category designated as "women only" but a certain subset of men get to have access to it.

Iamnotalemming · 03/11/2025 11:45

potpourree · 31/10/2025 08:43

Single-sex (mixed gender identity, if you believe in GI) sports have been around since the dawn of time.

This sudden campaigning to make all sports mixed-sex is a bit weird, and must be one of those passions men pick up later in life?

I was just thinking that. I played a lot of sport at uni, of a non-contact but v physical variety. I did women only sessions and mixed sex sessions every week. I knew when I played with the guys they would have strength and height advantages. As we all did.

Igmum · 03/11/2025 11:08

Well here’s hoping it will add to the growing group of legal precedents we have. Of course men shouldn’t be allowed in women’s cricket. And, on the bright side still, if the trans millions are heading towards our grifting ex-barrister (because cases on that topic bring him more loot than any other), they’re not going to the brilliant masterminds who somehow got us into this position in the first place.

hellotojason · 03/11/2025 08:00

I know it doesn't need to be said about cricket, but I went to watch the 100s with my daughter over the summer. Watching the women, who were wonderful but when they scored a six the ball typically made it just over the barrier but didn't bother us in the crowd. Stayed for the first half of the mens, the ball was frequently being hit into the crowd and on occasion almost onto the roof of Edgbaston. The power differential between the two was so clearly evident.

wiffin · 03/11/2025 07:51

Consequences of a trans child.

He's a bit like that female left wing lawyer who feels the need to constantly emphasise that she has a PhD all while shoving women under the bus.

Am sure it's possible to be a left wing lawyer who supports women as well as men...

hiui · 03/11/2025 06:55

an ex colleague support him and occasionally posts links to his various doomed campaigns. She’s an educated woman, but her keenness to support the utterly deluded fox botherer has sadly convinced me that she’s deluded too. And not all that bright in reality.

MyAmpleSheep · 03/11/2025 03:46

The fastest male bowlers deliver at about 100mph. The fastest women are 80mph. That addresses the fairness issue.

On the subject of whether cricket is contact or non-contact, why does Maugham think batsmen wear pads, gloves and helmets?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 02/11/2025 21:04

Enter stage left: Jolyon, presenting as a knight in shining armour but actually just an idiot in tin foil.

an idiot in a tin foil kimono surely 😁

SidewaysOtter · 02/11/2025 20:35

I honestly don't know how people fall for it.

I suspect that, in addition to those who see donating to the GLP as a good cause to support (particularly now Mermaids are a busted flush), there's a cohort of people who've bought the line that "trans rights are under attack" and are desperate for someone to "save them". This particularly applies to the sort of person you find on Transgender Reddit, convinced (sadly) that they're the potential victim of a genocide, "all GCs want us dead", so on and so forth.

Enter stage left: Jolyon, presenting as a knight in shining armour but actually just an idiot in tin foil.

(Whenever talk of GLP's finances come up, the image always comes to mind of Smaug sitting on his big pile of gold...)

CassOle · 02/11/2025 20:35

'Springtime for Jolyon' - such a catchy tune!

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 02/11/2025 18:52

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HildegardP · 02/11/2025 18:33

ItsCoolForCats · 02/11/2025 08:21

I honestly don't know how people fall for it. Their track record is terrible on these type of cases, yet JM is always on social media bragging and twisting things, trying to make out that they are having all these victories in holding people to account. It's just spin and bluster, but many of his supporters can't see through it.

And going after cricket almost seems like a deliberate attempt to waste their donations. If it was chess, it might seem less doomed to failure. But the way, I believe the women's category in chess should be for women only, but at least they wouldn't have to try and argue that male advantage is insignificant.

They get to raise a load of cash with no oversight & no tranparency about where it ends up. They totter along to a judge with something that only identifies as a case, get thrown out on their arse & lo! nothing at all achieved, except an opportunity for Maugham to shove out a load of emotive guff & insults to the judiciary on Bluesky, & for Family Maugham to tell themselves what a noble paladin Daddy is.
Meanwhile, the GLP gold hoard ticks up its interest & Maugham can do with it whatever he likes after paying doubtless carefully minimised tax & that big GLP wages bill.

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