Ocasio-Cortez vs Riley Gaines

The last election was a perfect time to put the trans activism away, they knew then it wasnt winning them votes.

The fact that they cant let it go now shows that its going to take a lot to make them see sense. I think court cases will confirm the oppressed/oppressor narrative and make them double down. It'll take massive safeguarding fails that they cant ignore.

I think they really believe it though. I don't think there has been any decent reporting on this issue in the mainstream US media (there's still hardly any here!) The fact Trump has of course jumped on the issue just confirms to them that gender critical/realist views are part of a package of hateful things Republicans believe. The US is so polarised at this point, I think it will take decades of lawsuits for the left to understand they have got this wrong

If Will Thomas had accepted being dropped from the male swim team
rather than cheating into the female team

we would never have heard of Riley Gaines.

Blame him
not her

If you dont advocate for men in women spaces, why is do you say women should leave the space if men are exposing themselves?

Didn't it cross your mind that the solution should be no men in the space?

Women do not have a hive mind, we can all believe different things. I think that your belief that right wing women shouldnt have access to single sex spaces is nonsensical.

Apologies, I should reword this part:

From what I have read of your posts, we should not consider her a victim because "She could leave the room."

Exactly.

AOC? Well yes she is, but I’d be careful about calling the maddest TRAs “fascists”.

They do the heavy lifting for us.

I sometimes wonder if they are secretly TERFs, as surely no one can be that thick to think they can persuade women to accept men with special identities into their spaces and sports, with the nonsensical ‘arguments’ that they present?

Perhaps I'm being harsh but Adriana Smith was dead. Nothing the law, the hospitals did to her body mattered to her. She was beyond caring. It's arguable that the life of her child in this instance was the only one that mattered. His mother was beyond help.

There will be living women, able to advocate for themselves negatively affected by the laws that preserved Adriana's baby. His family gave him the name Chance.

It is perfectly possible to accept that Riley Gaines was a victim of not only a male exposing himself in a changing room while getting into competitive swim gear and feeling she has had to expose herself, as well as being subject to an unfair and discriminatory policy in her event. However, in reading your posts, you seem to dismiss this with:

"Is not about abortion you are quite right. But holding up RG as some sort of victim is deeply offensive."

From what I have read of your posts, she isn't a victim because "She could leave the room."

Calling out the contradiction is not saying she should be ignored.

It perfectly possible to say that AOC's clap back was aggressive without holding up RG as some sort of paragon of virtue.

If I've got this right, you have a set of beliefs that you think are right, and if someone doesn't have the same matching set of their own beliefs then they stand to be denounced like RG.

Maybe read back and get context for the point Blackcat was spectacularly ignoring. Better still educate yourself on what the pro life stance that RG is so proud of meant for Adriana Smith.

Protecting spaces for women does not cancel the damage of denying them bodily autonomy.

And where have I supported biological males in female only spaces or sport? Learn to read.

There is always a reason women should just STFU.

-There are more important issues in the world.
-There are people suffering worse.
-They may be right about one issue but are hateful on another issue so they should be ignored.
-They may be right but they say it the wrong way.

The list is endless and it is old.

Thatblackcat post makes perfect sense. You said 'Riley Gaines is alive an able to advocate for herself. She could leave the room.'

This is the problem with supporting trans ideology, it turns everything upside down. Women are expected to leave a space design for their own comfort because a man wants to use it.

It is impossible to design a space for 'gender', everyone knows this, so TRA have to say women who want to maintain single sex are unreasonable or make no sense.

Biologically it's impossible for a woman to have a penis. How does a woman have a penis socially? Some sort of time share?

You make no sense.

Standing up for biological women in sport does not cancel the damage caused by a Pro Life stance.

As I assume they complained? Interesting. Enough people saw the thread to know how to move forward though. Just quote the last poster on topic.
Is constantly, deliberately derailing threads also ‘not in the spirit?’

TBH, I just see a poster who has opinions that challenge those that prevail on the board. Are these kinds of views not allowed?

And I can see why that thread was deleted - it was basically a discussion of how to ignore/bully off one poster, who it is believed to be male/AI. (Constantly misgendering a poster can also be a form of bullying, can’t it?)

Yet a thread discussing how not to respond was deleted as not in the spirit of… ironic that a poster clearly here to disrupt and inflame is apparently in the spirit of… 🤷‍♀️

Funny how Lia Thomas didn’t take massive amounts of oestrogen and wasn’t wanting to be so much of a woman that he went for breast implants like most of the Glamour cover TWs have. Now why would that be?

RG wants the Republicans to win the next elections. AOC is working to the same end with this stuff. All AOC needs to do is keep saying men are not stronger than women, and women don't deserve to have sport and the Dems will keep losing. Because it is so stupid it destroys everything else they say.

This^^ The Republicans are willing to go to any lengths to secure power and the Democrats are helping them by insisting on their smug purity spirals whilst watching Trump unravel democracy in real time. It’s infuriating.

I used to like AOC and was pleased that a working class woman had got a political platform. This one issue, however, is going to be the death of the Centre Left / Left and I am angry that supposedly intelligent people have been so ridiculous and allowed the Right / Far Right to weaponise it.

But you really have to hand it to the TRAs, being willing to burn the house of democracy down for everyone if they can’t stamp their feet to get their way. Nice.

I assume you mean the poster H and not MrsOvertonsWindow? Got confused there for a minute.

I agree the account needs looking at.

This poster is not posting in good faith. Every single person knows this.
Why is the account allowed to stand? It’s anti women, and this is Mumsnet.
Oh and please don’t reply to me, I won’t be reading any of the hate filled, goody bullshit that you type.

This. I loathe the Democrats for handing Trump on a silver plate this incredible PR photo of him surrounded by women being the hero that protects their rights in sports.

The argument used to be that being exposed as male would be the worst thing to happen to these men, therefore they would avoid anywhere that risks that. Now these men are celebrated because they are male.

The idea of the 'male woman' as the most oppressed has resulted in politicians arguing that women will see penises in changing rooms and will have to perform to male standards in sport.

Men have changed the narrative so much, politicians have to ignore why womens changing rooms and sports exist in the first place.