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Grokipedia.com version 0.1 is now live. Efforts to replace wikipedia with a less biased root source for the world.

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 28/10/2025 16:24

https://grokipedia.com/page/Transgender_rights_in_the_United_Kingdom

For example, the above.

Whatever people think about Elon, underestimating him is never a good idea.

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Howseitgoin · 29/10/2025 14:08

Lovelyview · 29/10/2025 12:14

Wikipedia thinks Imane Khelif is a woman. It's completely captured by people who think men can be women. The notes and comments by the ' collaborators ' in the talk section makes interesting reading. Basically one 'collaborator' has locked the entry and won't accept that there is plenty of evidence Khelif is male.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imane_Khelif

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Imane_Khelif

This person thinks they're being super clever lying about Khelif. Instead he's destroying the reputation of Wikipedia. The truth will win.

I've no particular love for Musk and no opinion about how free from bias Grokipedia is. But as ever trans rights activists are destroying everything they touch.

Err, you only think Wikipedia is wrong because you are. It's not as if identifying socially as a woman or man despite biological status is not a widespread accepted reality. That you disagree that it is doesn’t change this fact.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 29/10/2025 13:04

bonfireoftheverities · 29/10/2025 12:32

Still uses wrong sex pronouns.

well actually I'd argue against that - as we don't clearly know whats going on with them, their legal sex recorded at birth is indeed female and I do not know what the procedure is, if any, when someone is recorded one sex and through genetic testing turns out they are the other sex, at a later date.

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bonfireoftheverities · 29/10/2025 12:32

Still uses wrong sex pronouns.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 29/10/2025 12:26

Lovelyview · 29/10/2025 12:14

Wikipedia thinks Imane Khelif is a woman. It's completely captured by people who think men can be women. The notes and comments by the ' collaborators ' in the talk section makes interesting reading. Basically one 'collaborator' has locked the entry and won't accept that there is plenty of evidence Khelif is male.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imane_Khelif

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Imane_Khelif

This person thinks they're being super clever lying about Khelif. Instead he's destroying the reputation of Wikipedia. The truth will win.

I've no particular love for Musk and no opinion about how free from bias Grokipedia is. But as ever trans rights activists are destroying everything they touch.

way too long, but this seems more accurate https://grokipedia.com/page/Imane_Khelif

Imane Khelif

Imane Khelif

Imane Khelif (born 2 May 1999) is an Algerian professional boxer competing in the welterweight division who won the gold medal in the women's 66 kg category at the 2024 Paris Olympics by defeating China's Yang Liu in the final. Born in Tiaret, Algeria,...

https://grokipedia.com/page/Imane_Khelif

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Lovelyview · 29/10/2025 12:14

Howseitgoin · 28/10/2025 21:38

There are degrees of bias…

At least Wikipedia is a collaborative model with reliance on citations that you can link to judge how reliable they are.

Wikipedia thinks Imane Khelif is a woman. It's completely captured by people who think men can be women. The notes and comments by the ' collaborators ' in the talk section makes interesting reading. Basically one 'collaborator' has locked the entry and won't accept that there is plenty of evidence Khelif is male.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imane_Khelif

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Imane_Khelif

This person thinks they're being super clever lying about Khelif. Instead he's destroying the reputation of Wikipedia. The truth will win.

I've no particular love for Musk and no opinion about how free from bias Grokipedia is. But as ever trans rights activists are destroying everything they touch.

Imane Khelif - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imane_Khelif

SionnachRuadh · 29/10/2025 11:04

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 29/10/2025 10:47

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Grokipedia

you shall not be disappointed

That's a lot of fun, especially when the critical editors get to have their say.

There's a set of people who put enormous effort over the years into gaining influence on Wikipedia, and they still don't realise that they were just taking over Ask Jeeves.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 29/10/2025 10:47

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/10/2025 07:51

I find the Talk pages quite entertaining.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Grokipedia

you shall not be disappointed

Talk:Grokipedia - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Grokipedia

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SionnachRuadh · 29/10/2025 09:07

I tried it out on several subjects that are quite niche but where I have some knowledge. It's not perfect - you can tell the AI is dependent on the balance of web sources out there - but it's pretty good and shows promise.

It'll be an interesting experiment to see how using AI matches up against using (often activist) human editors. Larry Sanger and Jimmy Wales used to think that crowdproofing was a hedge against bias, but IME when it comes to certain niche subjects you can find their Wiki pages being squatted by one or two activist editors for years on end, who will revert any edits that don't conform with their viewpoint.

BreadstickBurglar · 29/10/2025 08:29

I sometimes wonder how much time and money troll farms spend on MN.

SomePosters · 29/10/2025 08:29

Good grief it’s is truly astounding how effectively people will colour in the world they want to see to suit their bias.

I can’t imagine hating anyone so much that siding with trump against them would seem legitimate

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/10/2025 07:51

SionnachRuadh · 29/10/2025 00:36

Larry Sanger, one of the founders of Wikipedia, has been banging on about this for years, and in particular how the "reliable sources" requirement was snuck in the back door.

That means, for UK stories, the BBC and the Guardian. The Times might be used with caution, the Telegraph with even more caution, and the Mail is totally blacklisted and may not be used at all.

Oh, and Pink News is a reliable source!

That means, if there's a scandal in the UK and the BBC and Guardian are not covering it, as far as Wikipedia is concerned it never happened. Which is important because of how often lazy journalists rely on Wikipedia.

Personally, I'll still use Wikipedia for questions like "what is the population of Mogadishu", but it's worse than useless for any issue of even slight political or cultural controversy. I stopped being an editor years ago, but once you've seen the back end, the bullying cliques of activist editors with bias on full display, you don't ever forget it.

I find the Talk pages quite entertaining.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 29/10/2025 06:33

Ignoring the frothing at the mouth EM seems to provoke in the woke, Wikipedia has been a source of mockery for being a reliable source of knowledge since the beginning. Recently it's become just a parody of knowledge so a new attempt to create an online reference tool is interesting. However Large Language Models are in their infancy and are not as good as the investors in them would like us to believe so it remains too be seen whether this one is any better. It's always good to have an alternative though, maybe the competition will lead to an improvement in both.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 29/10/2025 00:46

eatfigs · 29/10/2025 00:44

It'll still be biased, differently to Wikipedia, but there'll be no Talk pages or page history to browse through to get a feel for what's been left out. AI is always bullshitting in conversations, I don't see why this would be different tbh.

Because I looked at about ten pages on both and compared them. Graham linehan was a good one. As was Mumsnet.

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eatfigs · 29/10/2025 00:44

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 29/10/2025 00:40

Accuracy. Less bias.

It'll still be biased, differently to Wikipedia, but there'll be no Talk pages or page history to browse through to get a feel for what's been left out. AI is always bullshitting in conversations, I don't see why this would be different tbh.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 29/10/2025 00:44

Howseitgoin · 29/10/2025 00:24

Gotta hand it Musk & the billionaire class tho, they correctly calculate there's always an endless supply of fawning fanboy/girl minions willing to cuck themselves on behalf of the 'rightful' ruling class…

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See you lose any argument by using the term “cuck”.

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 29/10/2025 00:40

eatfigs · 29/10/2025 00:30

Musk is a thin-skinned bully, a charlatan with deep pockets, who likes to take credit for others' work. Like he didn't found Tesla but likes to pretend he did.

That said, I feel like Grokipedia may be an interesting application of AI but from browsing a few pages it looks to be mostly based on Wikipedia, except with less visibility into how each page has been written. So really what is the point.

Accuracy. Less bias.

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SionnachRuadh · 29/10/2025 00:36

FlirtsWithRhinos · 29/10/2025 00:30

Fascinating, though very long, article about how one Wiki admin has been gaming the site rules and processes for years to promote his personal agendas. Especially revealing on how the requirement for Reliable Sources and references that should keep contributors honest can itself be manipulated.

Written by an ex-Mormon furry no less, and no the worse for it.

www.tracingwoodgrains.com/p/reliable-sources-how-wikipedia-admin

Larry Sanger, one of the founders of Wikipedia, has been banging on about this for years, and in particular how the "reliable sources" requirement was snuck in the back door.

That means, for UK stories, the BBC and the Guardian. The Times might be used with caution, the Telegraph with even more caution, and the Mail is totally blacklisted and may not be used at all.

Oh, and Pink News is a reliable source!

That means, if there's a scandal in the UK and the BBC and Guardian are not covering it, as far as Wikipedia is concerned it never happened. Which is important because of how often lazy journalists rely on Wikipedia.

Personally, I'll still use Wikipedia for questions like "what is the population of Mogadishu", but it's worse than useless for any issue of even slight political or cultural controversy. I stopped being an editor years ago, but once you've seen the back end, the bullying cliques of activist editors with bias on full display, you don't ever forget it.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 29/10/2025 00:30

Fascinating, though very long, article about how one Wiki admin has been gaming the site rules and processes for years to promote his personal agendas. Especially revealing on how the requirement for Reliable Sources and references that should keep contributors honest can itself be manipulated.

Written by an ex-Mormon furry no less, and no the worse for it.

www.tracingwoodgrains.com/p/reliable-sources-how-wikipedia-admin

eatfigs · 29/10/2025 00:30

Musk is a thin-skinned bully, a charlatan with deep pockets, who likes to take credit for others' work. Like he didn't found Tesla but likes to pretend he did.

That said, I feel like Grokipedia may be an interesting application of AI but from browsing a few pages it looks to be mostly based on Wikipedia, except with less visibility into how each page has been written. So really what is the point.

Howseitgoin · 29/10/2025 00:28

SionnachRuadh · 29/10/2025 00:25

Yet again, Howie is unable to avoid displaying his misogyny.

Nice one, pal. You never disappoint us.

"his"

If only you could comprehend the misogyny in your own assumptions…

SionnachRuadh · 29/10/2025 00:25

Howseitgoin · 29/10/2025 00:24

Gotta hand it Musk & the billionaire class tho, they correctly calculate there's always an endless supply of fawning fanboy/girl minions willing to cuck themselves on behalf of the 'rightful' ruling class…

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Yet again, Howie is unable to avoid displaying his misogyny.

Nice one, pal. You never disappoint us.

Howseitgoin · 29/10/2025 00:24

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 29/10/2025 00:15

Is it like gogglebox on your sofa, except you're both angry and sad?

Everything I said is true, I don't care if you like it or not xxx

Gotta hand it Musk & the billionaire class tho, they correctly calculate there's always an endless supply of fawning fanboy/girl minions willing to cuck themselves on behalf of the 'rightful' ruling class…

SionnachRuadh · 29/10/2025 00:22

Lord knows I have my reservations about Elon, but I love that for the FWR lefties, it's not enough to have specific reservations about Elon, one has to loudly and demonstratively denounce everything that's even vaguely associated with him, like as if he were the devil himself.

These are often the same people who refuse to distance themselves from Martin James Smith and his associates. Funny old world.

EveryMeandEveryYou · 29/10/2025 00:19

His AI sex bots that he thinks are going to help repopulate the planet and actually train men how to date...the settings for your girlfriend are submissive or super-submissive.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 29/10/2025 00:15

Howseitgoin · 29/10/2025 00:11

"who reduced the cost to orbit by a factor of 20, created the electric car market"

Perspective matters.

Musk's 300 odd million campaign dollars & support on X effectively ushered in a climate change denier who immediately went to work smashing down all climate change progress including the subsidies for electric cars that largely contributed to Tesla's collapse.

"rebuilt X as an actual free speech bastion"

For a market place ideas to function, ideas need to be heard of which Musk's algorithmic controls easily stifled.

"got Trump elected and by doing so had the largest effect on the fight back against transgender nonsense - is incompetent."

There's this thing called 'the 3 branches of government' in the US one of which is the judiciary that Trump has been losing to hand over fist including for trans issues. Executive orders don't mean a thing if they can't stand up in court.

"Thats before you notice he's the only person who has made any headway getting the species interplanetary"

Lol, a fool & his money are soon parted…
The idea that interplanetary travel is a priority let alone even ranks as an issue is for those drunk on ketamine kool aid…

Is it like gogglebox on your sofa, except you're both angry and sad?

Everything I said is true, I don't care if you like it or not xxx

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