Active discussions

Please or to access all these features

Talk
Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Feminism: chat

Original poster

Leading journal accused of abandoning science over ‘social justice agenda’

136 replies

IwantToRetire · 27/10/2025 17:45

A top journal publisher has been accused of abandoning science in favour of a “social justice agenda”.

Nature, which produces several leading science journals, has faced criticism over its position on equality, diversity and inclusion from leading scientists.

Prof Anna Krylov, a professor of chemistry at the University of Southern California, shared an open letter online encouraging fellow scientists to boycott Nature until it “recommits to scientific excellence”.

She said: “The Nature group has abandoned its mission in favour of advancing a social justice agenda.”

She accused it of trying to play identity politics and promote specific demographics instead of focusing on science, which is supposed to be “guided by a commitment to finding objective truth”.

The letter was backed by Prof Richard Dawkins, an expert in evolutionary biology, who said on X: “Nature used to be the world’s most prestigious science journal. Now it’s one of many accused of favouring authors because of their identity group rather than the excellence and importance of their science.”

Full article at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/26/bbc-allows-work-from-home-if-worried-about-trans-toilet/

And at https://archive.is/q5JlX

OP posts:
Thread gallery
5
Igneococcus · 27/10/2025 21:34

Howseitgoin · 27/10/2025 21:33

One could say the same about the cultish religion of gender critical ideology.

Show quote history

We actually have science (if not Nature) on our side, but I will respect the OP's request and stop responding to the distractions.

Howseitgoin · 27/10/2025 21:33

Igneococcus · 27/10/2025 21:24

It's interesting to see how the formerly New Atheists have found a new religion in gender ideology and have turned on RD.

One could say the same about the cultish religion of gender critical ideology.

JanesLittleGirl · 27/10/2025 21:32

Howseitgoin · 27/10/2025 21:14

While gender criticals promote RD as a defender of 'women's rights' without scrutiny they will have to wear the fall out. You can't have it both ways.

Given RD's 'record' I suspect his sudden turn to defending women is more about white washing his past with a side of relevance seeking & pay back to the left for being called out for misogyny.

Show quote history

Firstly, what is a 'gender critical'? When did adjectives become nouns?

Secondly, I am not aware of anybody, let alone Gender Critical Radical Feminists, who regards RD as a defender of 'womens rights'. He is a defender of the scientific method.

Swiftasthewind · 27/10/2025 21:32

soupyspoon · 27/10/2025 21:25

Islam is progressive in terms of womens rights?

Relative to Christianity yes. Obviously secularism is preferable to anything but I’d rather live under an Islamic theocracy than a Christian one.

NotBadConsidering · 27/10/2025 21:31

None of this has anything to do with the problems with Nature and publishing research. Ignore the distractions.

Original poster
IwantToRetire · 27/10/2025 21:31

Quite honestly its irrelevant.

If any of someones beliefs impacted on their ability to carry out their actual work or research, then it would matter.

How many of us have benefited because some men have invented tools, medicine or even music that we like but are absolute shits.

The point of the article in the OP is about how supposed professionals have let their belief systems warp or corrupt their work.

I think we need a new catergory of posts. The bee in the bonnet threads. For all those who come on threads and whatever they are meant to be about constantly stopped actual discussion to go over and over their particular obsession.

I suspect even the sainted JKR could have accusations against her.

This isn't a forum about creating heros or heroines we follow unquestioningly.

It is about all the issues that impact on women and women's lives.

I am beginning to doubt it is possible to have a straight forward discussion, including differences of opinion, but enlarging or informing on the issue or topic of the OP of that thread.

OP posts:
Igneococcus · 27/10/2025 21:30

CassOle · 27/10/2025 21:27

Are you drunk, Howse?

No, I think he really is that dim.

Igneococcus · 27/10/2025 21:30

Howseitgoin · 27/10/2025 21:25

Translation: 'Anyone who doesn't agree with me is misogynistic'…

You people have rendered that word meaningless with your exploitation of it not unlike like Zionist anti semitism 'allegations'…

Show quote history

No, not everyone who is disagrees with me but you are definitely a misogynist.
You're the one who accused RD of misogyny on this thread so fuck off with your accusations of "you people"

Howseitgoin · 27/10/2025 21:28

soupyspoon · 27/10/2025 21:25

Islam is progressive in terms of womens rights?

You could say the same about Christian fundamentalism. Clearly, religion isn't the problem rather it's individual humans who exploit it not unlike capitalism.

CassOle · 27/10/2025 21:27

Are you drunk, Howse?

soupyspoon · 27/10/2025 21:25

Islam is progressive in terms of womens rights?

Howseitgoin · 27/10/2025 21:25

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Translation: 'Anyone who doesn't agree with me is misogynistic'…

You people have rendered that word meaningless with your exploitation of it not unlike like Zionist anti semitism 'allegations'…

CassOle · 27/10/2025 21:24

Swiftasthewind · 27/10/2025 21:18

I’m not surprised to see accusations of Islamophobia laid at the feet of Richard Dawkins, hasn’t he recently gone on some sort of crusade defending Christianity all of a sudden? A strange angle if true, considering the damage Christianity has done to women in the west far exceeds that of Islam, which as I understand it is relatively progressive on women’s rights for an Abrahamic based faith.

I would like to see the evidence that you have based these assertions on.

Igneococcus · 27/10/2025 21:24

It's interesting to see how the formerly New Atheists have found a new religion in gender ideology and have turned on RD.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 27/10/2025 21:23

Howseitgoin · 27/10/2025 21:18

You don't get to exploit the mantle of feminism others built & then shit on it. That you & your hypocritical fellow travellers personally don't care isn't lost on rational people….

Show quote history

Do you know any rational people?

Igneococcus · 27/10/2025 21:21

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Howseitgoin · 27/10/2025 21:21

Howseitgoin · 27/10/2025 21:14

While gender criticals promote RD as a defender of 'women's rights' without scrutiny they will have to wear the fall out. You can't have it both ways.

Given RD's 'record' I suspect his sudden turn to defending women is more about white washing his past with a side of relevance seeking & pay back to the left for being called out for misogyny.

Show quote history

Atheism has lost favour with the racist New Right given Christianity being more of a proxy for whiteness in terms of immigration.

It may not seem like it but RD is being consistent….

Howseitgoin · 27/10/2025 21:18

CassOle · 27/10/2025 21:13

I think the FWR purity spiral function is broken. To Howse's eternal chagrin, the posters here don't perform that function correctly, even with the best mansplaining available to help them.

You don't get to exploit the mantle of feminism others built & then shit on it. That you & your hypocritical fellow travellers personally don't care isn't lost on rational people….

Swiftasthewind · 27/10/2025 21:18

I’m not surprised to see accusations of Islamophobia laid at the feet of Richard Dawkins, hasn’t he recently gone on some sort of crusade defending Christianity all of a sudden? A strange angle if true, considering the damage Christianity has done to women in the west far exceeds that of Islam, which as I understand it is relatively progressive on women’s rights for an Abrahamic based faith.

Howseitgoin · 27/10/2025 21:14

frostedpixie · 27/10/2025 21:05

Seems Gender Critical 'feminists' are only too happy to turn a blind eye to misogyny when convenient.

Please don't generalise. While I agree with Dawson on some issues, I acknowledge he can be a knob when it comes to feminism. There are instances when he radiates sexism and at times, misogyny.

Show quote history

While gender criticals promote RD as a defender of 'women's rights' without scrutiny they will have to wear the fall out. You can't have it both ways.

Given RD's 'record' I suspect his sudden turn to defending women is more about white washing his past with a side of relevance seeking & pay back to the left for being called out for misogyny.

CassOle · 27/10/2025 21:13

I think the FWR purity spiral function is broken. To Howse's eternal chagrin, the posters here don't perform that function correctly, even with the best mansplaining available to help them.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 27/10/2025 21:09

Howseitgoin · 27/10/2025 20:16

Oh yeah and lets not forget all those misogyny 'papers'…

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/18/richard-dawkins-sexist-atheists-bad-name

Show quote history

I thought he spent his life "weaponizing islamophobia ", how many lives do you think this fellows had.

frostedpixie · 27/10/2025 21:05

Howseitgoin · 27/10/2025 20:46

The point you are spectacularly missing is RD has exploited his credentials as a scientist to push his own warped 'social justice' agenda. Kinda what he is accusing Nature of…

Seems Gender Critical 'feminists' are only too happy to turn a blind eye to misogyny when convenient.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend….even if he is my enemy?

Edited
Show quote history

Seems Gender Critical 'feminists' are only too happy to turn a blind eye to misogyny when convenient.

Please don't generalise. While I agree with Dawson on some issues, I acknowledge he can be a knob when it comes to feminism. There are instances when he radiates sexism and at times, misogyny.

NotBadConsidering · 27/10/2025 21:00

Nature Medicine has published this article by a trans activist:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-025-04023-9

The title suggests some high level of science. But what it actually is, and this is no joke, a paper that demonstrates

• if you put men on oestrogen for 6 months and measure their oestrogen levels, they are raised.
• being on high doses of oestrogen causes negative changes to their bodies.

This is it. And this is the groundbreaking “science” that Nature now deems valuable research worth publishing.

Plasma proteome adaptations during feminizing gender-affirming hormone therapy - Nature Medicine

Researchers analyzed 5,279 plasma proteins in 40 people undergoing feminizing gender-affirming hormone therapy over 6 months, revealing significant changes in 299 proteins. Such changes could have implications for reproductive capacity, immune regulati...

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-025-04023-9?error=cookies_not_supported&code=6554c96e-196f-4ae6-8cbe-26efd0d841a6

Howseitgoin · 27/10/2025 20:46

JanesLittleGirl · 27/10/2025 20:40

None of which detracts from the fact that he is a world renowned scientist.

Show quote history

The point you are spectacularly missing is RD has exploited his credentials as a scientist to push his own warped 'social justice' agenda. Kinda what he is accusing Nature of…

Seems Gender Critical 'feminists' are only too happy to turn a blind eye to misogyny when convenient.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend….even if he is my enemy?