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Nameychangington · 28/10/2025 11:12

And in depressingly predictable fashion, Lyndsay Watson is already making plans to harass them.Ladies and gentlemen, the right side of history.

New female single sex student society launched at Cambridge university

PrettyDamnCosmic · 28/10/2025 09:53

RareGoalsVerge · 27/10/2025 18:03

And here's a compilation of all the comments so far that are the misogyny equivalent of "So when is it White History Month? And why don't White Lives Matter?"

Also lost count of the comments of "but what about Trans Women??" and "But How can you possibly define what a woman is? It is impossible!!!"

(In case anyone on this thread thinks the comments in this image are reasonable : all-female gatherings, facilities and opportunities are permitted because it is legitimate for women who are disadvantaged compared to men in many ways, to organise to combat those disadvantages and to create a springboard to enable women to participate on equal terms. All-male gatherings and opportunities would be intrinsically working to advantage the already-advantaged and priviledged and no that is not legitimate. The all-male clubs where deals are done and power is brokered are not in any way equivalent or legitimate. All-male facilities for changing, washing etc with privacy and dignity without a bunch of women giggling about the size of your cock is entirely legitimate though. For exactly the same reasons it is legitimate to have gatherings and opportunities that exclude white people, but it is not legitimate to have gatherings and opportunities that exclude non-white people. People have forgotten how to check their privilege. The disadvantages and challenges that are intrinsic to being female do not apply to transwomen (as they are male) although some of them do apply to transmen (as they are female). It is entirely reasonable and legal for groups like this to be emphatically Single Sex.)

For exactly the same reasons it is legitimate to have gatherings and opportunities that exclude white people, but it is not legitimate to have gatherings and opportunities that exclude non-white people.

It is not legitimate to exclude white people as it is not permitted to discriminate based on skin colour as this illegality is specifically called out in the Equality Act 2015. It is lawful to restrict membership based on national or ethnic origin but not skin colour.

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WarriorN · 28/10/2025 09:39

ScrollingLeaves · 27/10/2025 22:03

Someone in the ‘Comments’ section underneath the article wrote apt comments about that assertion by Rose.

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For a supposedly clever individual the Newnham College Principal, Alison Rose, has made two very stupid statements.
Firstly, “It’s been clear that as a college we would strongly favour continuing our established practice of inclusivity so long as we could do so legally”.

Newnham very clearly, as set out in the ForWomen Scotland judgment by the Supreme Court, cannot legally provide access to education at the college to women and transwomen while excluding men. Any non-trans-identifying man refused admittance could sue on grounds of unlawful discrimination. Paragraphs 226 to 229 of the judgment set out the lawfulness of excluding trans-identifying men from higher education, the context of the Equality Act 2010 means that it is discriminatory to include trans-identifying men in what is ostensibly a women’s single sex college.

Secondly, “Rose made it clear from the outset Newnham College was not a single sex space and never has been, with the rationale: “I was a student here forty-five years ago and I can tell you my next-door neighbour seemed to have her boyfriend living next door pretty constantly, so sometimes Newnham is presented as if it’s a single sex space or a single sex higher-education institution. We’re not a single sex space.””

I would decribe this as sophistry if the definition of that word didn’t describe it as “a clever but false” argument: the argument is false (a boyfried in the dorm has not be admitted as a student) but it certainly is not clever.

I have been rueing the decline in student output at Oxford, evident in its admission and education of its last 5 Prime Ministers. It appears that the rot has also reached senior management at Cambridge.

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Iafontaine · 28/10/2025 09:19

I hope they see we support their efforts. I expect today will be challenging for them

SidewaysOtter · 27/10/2025 22:17

It’s one of the oldest, laziest slurs in the book, isn’t it? Feminists/women who stand up for themselves are insufficiently feminine!

How often were suffragettes and suffragists depicted as ugly harridans for the crime of standing up for women?

A tales as old as the struggle for women’s rights.

ScrollingLeaves · 27/10/2025 22:03

WarriorN · 27/10/2025 19:42

a college leader was claiming that Newnham has never been single sex, as students would have their boyfriends there

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Someone in the ‘Comments’ section underneath the article wrote apt comments about that assertion by Rose.

ScrollingLeaves · 27/10/2025 21:52

WarriorN · 27/10/2025 09:58

https://genderblog.net/cambridge-students-launch-single-sex-society-for-women/

this is fantastic news. The background to their story is however concerning. It should have never got this bad.

https://x.com/cusocofwomen/status/1982732118695215164?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

Who could have guessed this ideology could take such a hold in Cambridge? Or that there could be such an extreme degree of bullying against anyone reading books the mesmerised majority disagrees with - no doubt not even necessarily having read them.

IwantToRetire · 27/10/2025 21:23

spannasaurus · 27/10/2025 21:06

Interestingly, Maeve says the CUSW will not be wholly trans-exclusionary.

This line in the article irritated me. Why would the writer assume that a female only club would exclude trans identified

Because they still dont grasp that the issue is about biological sex.

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“I want women who think they’re men to join this society because I’m a firm believer the words female and woman includes females who do not conform to traditional stereotypes and females who wish they were not female. I don’t think they actually wish they were men. I think it’s actually because they wish they weren’t women. And I think I would defy any woman to show me a woman who’s never felt that way. I think we all can relate to that. Just because somebody’s acted on that potentially irreversibly… makes no difference to me. I know what it feels like to resent my own womanhood because I think the way that society is at the moment. Female puberty alone – by God – does it make you frustrated. Being female and all that that means. So… I could not in good faith and consciously purport to be setting up a Society that was for all women if I didn’t wish to include women who want out of womanhood.”

spannasaurus · 27/10/2025 21:06

Interestingly, Maeve says the CUSW will not be wholly trans-exclusionary.

This line in the article irritated me. Why would the writer assume that a female only club would exclude trans identified

JulesJules · 27/10/2025 20:32

How heartening. Well done to these brave young women. I'm following them on Twitter. Great that Nick Wallis has written about this as well

Iafontaine · 27/10/2025 20:00

@TheCountessofFitzdotterel
hopefully the academic community is generally more GC than when I was there. I sought out academics in law who appeared to be feminist, but I was mistaken.

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WarriorN · 27/10/2025 19:44

The bullying they had from their peers sounds horrific

This is also concerning

Serena Worley thinks things have got worryingly bleak. “Newnham College is a transition pipeline. The majority of lesbians who arrive as freshers (a large cohort at a women’s college like ours) will be some flavour of trans or non-binary within a year, if they aren’t already. I find this in particular to be incredibly depressing. I’ve seen so many interesting, quirky, hopeful young women just deteriorate during their time here. This adoption of pronouns and sometimes even medicalisation is frequently accompanied by a clear decline in mental wellbeing. I remember going to a ButchSoc welfare tea last year to try to meet other lesbians and everyone there was non-binary and sobbing. It was utterly alienating and quite concerning. Given that this is the primary lesbian society at our college, it makes me really concerned for each year’s new batch of freshers seeing that as what’s normal for being a young lesbian.”

Thea is the daughter of an Observer journalist I’ve just seen on Twitter.

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 27/10/2025 19:43

Iafontaine · 27/10/2025 19:17

I haven't posted in a long time, I was doing a masters in Cambridge then (not in UK anymore). If this new group needs advisers or support then these academics might be supportive: afcomm.org.uk/university-of-cambridge/

The one person on there I know personally is someone I wouldn’t have expected. He’s just gone up quite a few levels in my estimation.

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WarriorN · 27/10/2025 19:42

eatfigs · 27/10/2025 19:34

I am wondering, will the Supreme Court judgment cover women's colleges? They can't let the TIMs enrol now can they?

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a college leader was claiming that Newnham has never been single sex, as students would have their boyfriends there

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eatfigs · 27/10/2025 19:34

Nameychangington · 27/10/2025 18:34

No doubt there is a "women's" society where TW are welcome.

Cambridge is rampantly TWAW. The head of the so-called femsoc marched in a demo against the FWS ruling with a sign about 'supporting all sisters not just cisters'. I'd be amazed if any of the university women's provisions excluded men with special feelings. The (so-called) women's colleges admit transwomen.

These young women are very brave (depressing that they have to be brave to start a women-only group but here we are), more power to them.

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I am wondering, will the Supreme Court judgment cover women's colleges? They can't let the TIMs enrol now can they?

Iafontaine · 27/10/2025 19:17

I haven't posted in a long time, I was doing a masters in Cambridge then (not in UK anymore). If this new group needs advisers or support then these academics might be supportive: afcomm.org.uk/university-of-cambridge/

JanesLittleGirl · 27/10/2025 18:56

RareGoalsVerge · 27/10/2025 18:34

If it is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim. Maintaining and upholding male privilege - nope. Talking about prostate cancer - yes, absolutely fine.

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Section 16 exceptions don't have any conditions. You can have a single sex association simply because you want one.

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WarriorN · 27/10/2025 18:50

More like courage calls.

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TeiTetua · 27/10/2025 18:47

"New female single sex student society launched at Cambridge university"

Well, good luck to them. But red flag, bull.

DustyWindowsills · 27/10/2025 18:41

RareGoalsVerge · 27/10/2025 18:03

And here's a compilation of all the comments so far that are the misogyny equivalent of "So when is it White History Month? And why don't White Lives Matter?"

Also lost count of the comments of "but what about Trans Women??" and "But How can you possibly define what a woman is? It is impossible!!!"

(In case anyone on this thread thinks the comments in this image are reasonable : all-female gatherings, facilities and opportunities are permitted because it is legitimate for women who are disadvantaged compared to men in many ways, to organise to combat those disadvantages and to create a springboard to enable women to participate on equal terms. All-male gatherings and opportunities would be intrinsically working to advantage the already-advantaged and priviledged and no that is not legitimate. The all-male clubs where deals are done and power is brokered are not in any way equivalent or legitimate. All-male facilities for changing, washing etc with privacy and dignity without a bunch of women giggling about the size of your cock is entirely legitimate though. For exactly the same reasons it is legitimate to have gatherings and opportunities that exclude white people, but it is not legitimate to have gatherings and opportunities that exclude non-white people. People have forgotten how to check their privilege. The disadvantages and challenges that are intrinsic to being female do not apply to transwomen (as they are male) although some of them do apply to transmen (as they are female). It is entirely reasonable and legal for groups like this to be emphatically Single Sex.)

"Where's the male equivalent?" FFS. My own college had only been admitting women for three years before I started there.

RareGoalsVerge · 27/10/2025 18:34

theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw · 27/10/2025 18:15

All-male associations and clubs are legal, and require no justification. Schedule 16 EA 2010.

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If it is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim. Maintaining and upholding male privilege - nope. Talking about prostate cancer - yes, absolutely fine.

Nameychangington · 27/10/2025 18:34

IwantToRetire · 27/10/2025 17:37

How brave! Not just launching but being so public. And sad to read what they have endured.

But honestly -

Jolyon Maugham KC
‪@goodlawproject.org‬
We are hearing some very troubling stories about trans exclusion, supported by the University, at Cambridge. We are making contact with affected societies and individuals and will fiercely protect the legal rights of trans students to live with respect and dignity.

Yet another example of how TRAs make it clear that for them it isn't about helping those with gender disphoria, it about making women accept that their rights have no status. And should be punished it they presume to say they do have rights.

Its one society out of how many at the University.

No doubt there is a "women's" society where TW are welcome.

No doubt there is a "women's" society where TW are welcome.

Cambridge is rampantly TWAW. The head of the so-called femsoc marched in a demo against the FWS ruling with a sign about 'supporting all sisters not just cisters'. I'd be amazed if any of the university women's provisions excluded men with special feelings. The (so-called) women's colleges admit transwomen.

These young women are very brave (depressing that they have to be brave to start a women-only group but here we are), more power to them.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 27/10/2025 18:17

RareGoalsVerge · 27/10/2025 18:11

I also saw a few comments along the lines of "but two of those 3 people in the photo could pass for men!" - which is simply weird. If anyone genuinely thinks that then they must be just not very observant.

It’s one of the oldest, laziest slurs in the book, isn’t it? Feminists/women who stand up for themselves are insufficiently feminine!
The people saying it have no idea we see straight through it, it’s not quite the devastating comment they imagine.

Anyway, props to these very brave young women and I am absolutely appalled by the bullying they have experienced. The university should be ashamed of itself for allowing an atmosphere to develop where that behaviour is normalised.

theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw · 27/10/2025 18:15

RareGoalsVerge · 27/10/2025 18:03

And here's a compilation of all the comments so far that are the misogyny equivalent of "So when is it White History Month? And why don't White Lives Matter?"

Also lost count of the comments of "but what about Trans Women??" and "But How can you possibly define what a woman is? It is impossible!!!"

(In case anyone on this thread thinks the comments in this image are reasonable : all-female gatherings, facilities and opportunities are permitted because it is legitimate for women who are disadvantaged compared to men in many ways, to organise to combat those disadvantages and to create a springboard to enable women to participate on equal terms. All-male gatherings and opportunities would be intrinsically working to advantage the already-advantaged and priviledged and no that is not legitimate. The all-male clubs where deals are done and power is brokered are not in any way equivalent or legitimate. All-male facilities for changing, washing etc with privacy and dignity without a bunch of women giggling about the size of your cock is entirely legitimate though. For exactly the same reasons it is legitimate to have gatherings and opportunities that exclude white people, but it is not legitimate to have gatherings and opportunities that exclude non-white people. People have forgotten how to check their privilege. The disadvantages and challenges that are intrinsic to being female do not apply to transwomen (as they are male) although some of them do apply to transmen (as they are female). It is entirely reasonable and legal for groups like this to be emphatically Single Sex.)

All-male associations and clubs are legal, and require no justification. Schedule 16 EA 2010.

RareGoalsVerge · 27/10/2025 18:11

I also saw a few comments along the lines of "but two of those 3 people in the photo could pass for men!" - which is simply weird. If anyone genuinely thinks that then they must be just not very observant.