Far right women

from what I see amongst the predominantly white low socio economic status / poverty stricken communities around me, this attitude is what drives young men to parties like reform.

we should be investing in the right kind of education that might interest them and provide decent employment. This is what went when Blair pushed for more university access. I remember in my rural secondary school in the 90s that kids from farming backgrounds regularly chose certain GCSEs that were available such as horticulture. We had sheep and hens onsite - they were for one of the courses. A decade later it had all been scrapped in favour of IT. This country has a severe lack of skilled labour; plumbers, electricians and all sorts of other vocational skills that is what keeps everything ticking over.

and actually, reform are saying nowt about education. Labour is at least launching V levels to tackle this.

How is that any different to the UK though? Do you think that sort of thing doesn’t happen here? It’s all well and good waving your finger at countries like Pakistan for their treatment of women, but we are no better.

Sorry, did you mean to quote me? I don't know much about ICE or the issues you mentioned and am not sure it's relevant to my post.

You are making a fundamental mistake if you think importing Pakistani or Afghan women is the solution. You will be importing women who impart the same values to a generation of their sons and daughters those men display.

Feminists being of a dominant sort of character often forget to look at subaltern status women and properly account for their role in transmitting social values and enforcing religious conformity.

So you support that actions of ICE. I what way do you think the average American is benefitting? Do you agree with the arrests of the Koreans in Hyundai plant in Georgia? In what way has that helped the reindustrialisation of America? Do you support bombing fishing vessels in the Caribbean and the Pacific? Is the world a better place now that International law no longer exists?

You had full stops? Jammy bastards. I was lucky to have spaces.

"Marry your rapist" is day ending Y stuff for lots of places in the world.

If you'd read the whole thread up to that post, you'd have seen reports of "revenge rapes" carried out against perps' sisters in Pakistan. These are "community punishments" set by "elders". What makes you think that these misogynists leave those ideas behind when they board the flight to Heathrow?

If these men come here and act like that and get the book thrown at them in our criminal courts, that's bad but bearable. If they come here and do that and it's covered up, that's utterly unacceptable, outrageous, and I'm saying "fuck no" to it. And if I'm saying "fuck no" with my STEM degree and trade union membership, so are a lot of people to the right of me.

Jesus wept... Those poor girls.

These men see women as property. To them, "revenge" raping a rapist's sister is exactly like keying a neighbour's car because the neighbour slashed your tyres.

We should offer Pakistani women and girls asylum and deport all the men.

I'll tell you what makes me think that multiculturalism should be scrapped: the idea that anyone in this country gets special treatment in law because of what colour or religion they are.

Multiculturalism will not be accepted as long as people think that Pakistanis, or anyone else, are getting a slap on the wrist for child sexual abuse.

Soft Centres are barred, I believe. See the Fer Reight Rochers.

OK. So men can be Extreme Left, Left, Soft Left, Moderate, Centerist, Right of Centre, Soft Right, Right and Extreme Right but heaven forfend that any woman has a political opinion that isn't overtly left leaning.

And the fastest growing got swapped, it meant Channel crossings, the economy in turn to be smashed.

I don’t think the lack of democratic structure for Reform will be the issue if they come to government - if their MPs disagree with the party position they are likely to leave the party. We have already seen that with the MPs they have. That would be a problem for Reform though.

Our crucial problem for the future is a very low birth rate. Soon the post WW2 bulge generation will have passed on and we are left with too small a work force. ( South Korea is showing us clearly the disiaster to come. ) Far from moaning about people wanting to escape their oppressive regimes in war torn Africa, Ukraine, Iraq, Afganistan etc etc we should be welcomng them as our saviours. They are cheap (we haven't had to pay for their hospital births, their education etc etc.) and by definition they are ambitious and want to improve their lives.

Immigration to offset low birth weight is just like a huge Ponzi scheme. Also we need skilled labour not people without basic education. But their cheapness in unskilled positions drives down wages.

It turned out there was a typo in the manifesto and Labour were only promising to build five houses in a million years.

'Strangely the latest poles show most Reform voters support Labour on these.
Similarly they support the left policies of nationalisation of our Water, Railways, Gas, Electricity., building more social housing to replace the Conservatives sell off.'

But I don't find that suprising at all. My understanding isn't that people favour Reform's policies; they are absolutely raging at governments that have successively ignored, patronised, lied, and fucked them over.

It's an expression of rage and fury, an anti-vote, as much as anything.

I mean, let's take housebuilding. How are Labour's promised million new houses coming on?

@ArabellaSaurus I'm as up for a spot of eccentricity as anyone but just one eg; the LDs at national level take a positive position on housebuilding. At local level they're reliable Nimbies & because of the Party's organisational structure, Davey & co can do nothing about that.

Very interesting post @ElizaMulvil, especially reform voter views on specifically Labour policies. You’re right it is structured to be so

I can’t see its attraction lasting tbh. I also think it’s often the result of a single issue where they’ve won councillors and MPs, one that won’t last the distance

poverty is a real and serious driving factor in the country right now and this will ultimately drive votes longer term

the care system is going to have to have a lot of focus in the future. Rates of children with send are increasing for a number of very real reasons for example. In my LA, the birth rate has dropped but the numbers of children with send (and who really do need a send school) has increased. (And it was known about over 10 years ago and no preparations have been made to accommodate this.)

@HildegardPI joined the greens in a similar way (or was shuffled in by green feminist friends!) but it does feel like a wall has been hit for me. I’d consider Labour simply to have my voice heard more on send and education, with sex realism up my sleeve for when it’s right.

It has all the symptoms of being far right.

1. It doesn't have a democratic structure but is a limited company so there is no way for members to vote on/influence policies. This authoritarian structure classic extreme right wing. Farage, the commodities trader, doesn't want to hear from members, he wants total control.

2.It is against rights for working people eg Labour's sick pay from day 1, abolition of forced Zero hours contracts ,

3.Against workers' rights ie Labour policies re security at work so they can't be sacked indiscriminately etc. or fired and rehired on lower wages.

Strangely the latest poles show most Reform voters support Labour on these.
Similarly they support the left policies of nationalisation of our Water, Railways, Gas, Electricity., building more social housing to replace the Conservatives sell off.

All above left wing policies which would enable more investment and lower prices for people as no dividends need to be taken out and given to share holders.

Our crucial problem for the future is a very low birth rate. Soon the post WW2 bulge generation will have passed on and we are left with too small a work force. ( South Korea is showing us clearly the disiaster to come. ) Far from moaning about people wanting to escape their oppressive regimes in war torn Africa, Ukraine, Iraq, Afganistan etc etc we should be welcomng them as our saviours. They are cheap (we haven't had to pay for their hospital births, their education etc etc.) and by definition they are ambitious and want to improve their lives. Great for them and will be great for our country too. After all great civilisations like Rome, the USA, GB etc have flourished attracting new comers.

We should be eliminating the loopholes that allow the richest 50 families to own more than the poorest half of the population in this country.

Is it fair that the Duke of Westminster, one of the richest people in the UK, has £9.886 billion,( on the death of his father), but has paid no Inheritance Tax at all whereas 'ordinary' people pay 40% tax on inheritances over £350K? Apparently the rich need incentives but the people of Britain only need subsistence living and threats of sacking and destitution.

Classic right wing. Fear and oppression of the desperate and poorest in the country then attacking organisations like Unions who fight their corner but handing more and more to the feckless authoritarian richest living on the hard labour of others.

Agreed, and stating that right-wing women have no logic, as stated by a previous poster, defies logic in itself
It does, and it is rude and presumptuous.

Irrationality is part of the appeal, I'm not gonna lie! 😂

Oddballs are the backbone of theLDs &, not least because of their oddball structure, irrationality is their lifeblood.
Entryism is not an easy proposition but I used to know a very successful international sportsman who once told me that there were plenty of guys as good as him but the difference between his success & their complete anonymity was "I show up. On time & in clean socks."

Thanks, that's useful, Hildegard. Difficult to do, though, I think. I couldn't stomach being part of the Greens when they went so unhinged.

I've thought about the Libdems, but crikey, there are a lot of oddbods in there.

@WarriorN Of course many people wouldn't feel comfortable joining Labour or any political Party but there's also the option of offering frequent support to all sex-realist MPs & Councillors not just our own, even if it's just an email or a card saying "thank you for standing up for women/ safeguarding/ LGB people/ the Equality Act" or whichever relevant aspect they've been working/ speaking on. For those of us stuck with representatives who are useless on those topics, when communicating w members of their Party it doesn't hurt to add comments like, "I wish [insert name] were better informed on this subject, I don't feel I can vote for them next time because of their current position".