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Far right women

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PermanentTemporary · 26/10/2025 10:37

Katie Lam and Pochin from Reform spouting stuff that makes me feel sick. Looking at all the glossy goons like Kristi Noem and Pam Bondi surrounding Trump. I am predicting that Erica Kirk will be the first woman President or perhaps more likely Vance’s Vice President. I’m not talking about women who would like to pay less tax, or Theresa May, but those who rise in extreme right wing circles.

I’m working my way extremely slowly through Andrea Dworkin’s ‘Right Wing Women’. Has anyone else read it? I don’t have any conclusions about this yet…

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/10/2025 13:57

WallaceinAnderland · 26/10/2025 13:56

Anyone that think Reform give a single fuck about women are completely ignorant or stupid.

This is the exact same thing people said about Conservatives at the last election and we ended up with Labour who clearly also don't care about women.

Do any of them?

No.

WallaceinAnderland · 26/10/2025 13:56

Anyone that think Reform give a single fuck about women are completely ignorant or stupid.

This is the exact same thing people said about Conservatives at the last election and we ended up with Labour who clearly also don't care about women.

Do any of them?

nauticant · 26/10/2025 13:55

Blimey.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/10/2025 13:54

It is for real. Advanced search the poster.

nauticant · 26/10/2025 13:54

I assumed it was a satirical post. Is it actually for real?

Soontobe60 · 26/10/2025 13:52

Swiftasthewind · 26/10/2025 13:32

There is no point trying to understand right wing women, logic obviously isn’t their strong suit. For men it is very difficult to shame them for their political opinions but for women, social ostracisation is an incredibly effective tool. Women on the left used to understand this but for some reason don’t lean as heavily on it anymore, which is a shame.

Have you always been so dismissive of women or is this a new thing? Listen to yourself!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/10/2025 13:48

Again, even if you do think this, it’s better not to call people you want to persuade to your point of view “ignorant and stupid”.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/10/2025 13:47

zazazaaar · 26/10/2025 13:43

Anyone that think Reform give a single fuck about women are completely ignorant or stupid. I say this a full blown TERF.
Please don't mix the two. It weakens out case to align anyway with the vile rhetoric of Reform.

Who here does?

Sausagenbacon · 26/10/2025 13:43

You lost me at 'goon'.
Why are left wingers so intolerant of people they don't agree with?
And
Perhaps because the Left wing parties, here and in the USA, are f***g useless when it comes to Women's Rights

zazazaaar · 26/10/2025 13:43

Anyone that think Reform give a single fuck about women are completely ignorant or stupid. I say this a full blown TERF.
Please don't mix the two. It weakens out case to align anyway with the vile rhetoric of Reform.

Gruffporcupine · 26/10/2025 13:39

nauticant · 26/10/2025 11:34

If the prospect of Erica Kirk or JD Vance being elected after 2028 is such a terrible prospect for the US, perhaps the Democrats could take responsibility for this and offer the electorate someone who would be more appealing. That wouldn't be Kamala Harris.

This.

People are not buying Kamala. Up the the left to offer something else, or keep on losing

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/10/2025 13:37

timesublimelysilencesthewhys · 26/10/2025 13:24

TBH I think it's an American book by an American writer, about American politics, and therefore not something I'm going to spend masses of time on.

And written in the early 80s. Its going to be difficult to use it to interpret politics and choices today.

Exactly. It’s an interesting take, but not the be all and end all. The principle that all women have the same women’s rights is important though.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/10/2025 13:35

I’ve seen many of your posts on other threads so with all due respect, I won’t be engaging further with you @Swiftasthewind

Swiftasthewind · 26/10/2025 13:32

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/10/2025 12:52

There was an extremely pointless thread in AIBU a few weeks ago where the op professed that they wanted to understand why women would give their votes to right wing politicians. It turned out that they just wanted to pontificate and hand wring, rather than listen to the reasons people less out of touch with what the average person thinks explained to them. Seems familiar tbh.

There is no point trying to understand right wing women, logic obviously isn’t their strong suit. For men it is very difficult to shame them for their political opinions but for women, social ostracisation is an incredibly effective tool. Women on the left used to understand this but for some reason don’t lean as heavily on it anymore, which is a shame.

nauticant · 26/10/2025 13:25

If it doesn't discuss the morally superior authoritarian Left then it's not going to be a great deal of use in analysing how things stand at the moment.

timesublimelysilencesthewhys · 26/10/2025 13:24

ArabellaSaurus · 26/10/2025 13:18

TBH I think it's an American book by an American writer, about American politics, and therefore not something I'm going to spend masses of time on.

Because we are not the US, and our left and right are different, and there's more than enough bollocks going on here to be getting on with.

For instance, Reform are currently massively ahead of any other party in the polls.

Those who are upset about this have a choice. They can ask 'why' and actually listen to the answers, or they can smear, deride Reform voters and bemoan the inevitable loss of the next election.

TBH I think it's an American book by an American writer, about American politics, and therefore not something I'm going to spend masses of time on.

And written in the early 80s. Its going to be difficult to use it to interpret politics and choices today.

LizzyEm · 26/10/2025 13:23

PermanentTemporary · 26/10/2025 12:37

Advetising is the ultimate expression of commercial reality. If there are more people of colour in adverts - I’d certainly say there are compared to my youth in the 70s and 80s - it’s because it sells. For the ‘normal’ right, that should really be the end of it. The (soft) left might be pleased at the increased diversity. It would be interesting to know how the commercial benefit works, I can think of a lot of elements tangled up there.

Saying that it ‘drives you mad’ to see more black people on screen or that companies think there is a benefit to doing that is extreme right. Clearly Pochin thinks that message will sell to the audience she wants.

It doesn't sell though. People are getting sick off of it and are starting to NOT buy from these companies.

Go woke, go broke.

ArabellaSaurus · 26/10/2025 13:18

TBH I think it's an American book by an American writer, about American politics, and therefore not something I'm going to spend masses of time on.

Because we are not the US, and our left and right are different, and there's more than enough bollocks going on here to be getting on with.

For instance, Reform are currently massively ahead of any other party in the polls.

Those who are upset about this have a choice. They can ask 'why' and actually listen to the answers, or they can smear, deride Reform voters and bemoan the inevitable loss of the next election.

timesublimelysilencesthewhys · 26/10/2025 13:13

PermanentTemporary · 26/10/2025 12:37

Advetising is the ultimate expression of commercial reality. If there are more people of colour in adverts - I’d certainly say there are compared to my youth in the 70s and 80s - it’s because it sells. For the ‘normal’ right, that should really be the end of it. The (soft) left might be pleased at the increased diversity. It would be interesting to know how the commercial benefit works, I can think of a lot of elements tangled up there.

Saying that it ‘drives you mad’ to see more black people on screen or that companies think there is a benefit to doing that is extreme right. Clearly Pochin thinks that message will sell to the audience she wants.

Its the consequence diversity and inclusion, not comercial reality. And it doesnt reflect a true picture of the country and therefore seems forced.

Its difficult for an advert to be truly representative given theyll be only say three people in each advert. No company wants be highlighted as only speaking to white people, so are more likely to request non white actors. It means that half the adverts have black actors.

What is happening is that the left (for want of a better word) are allowed to highlight skin colour and say adverts dont represent them, but the right, arent allowed to comment when it looks unrepresentative to their lives.

I would say that adverts are skewed towards black actors, and miss asian, older peope, disabled and non english speakers. But that maybe just about where i live.

Shedmistress · 26/10/2025 13:07

'Glossy goons'.

If this is the level of political debate on the left, its no wonder that people swing to the right.

Anyway OP, when you say 'far right' what exactly do you mean? Is a cultural comment on adverts now the main indictator of 'far rightism'?

Shedmistress · 26/10/2025 13:07

'Glossy goons'.

If this is the level of political debate on the left, its no wonder that people swing to the right.

Anyway OP, when you say 'far right' what exactly do you mean? Is a cultural comment on adverts now the main indictator of 'far rightism'?

LoveSandbanks · 26/10/2025 13:00

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 26/10/2025 12:41

Here is Dennis Jones, Peterborough Council’s Labour leader, a man who has views you may otherwise approve of describing children who have been raped as poor white trash from Rotherham.

you thinking he cares about women? Seems ever so nice, doesn’t he?

God knows I’m no fan of Farage, but this knee jerk assumption that the way to deal with right wing misogynists is to vote for left wing misogynists is self delusion of the highest order

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg7d93kyndxo

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That was a deeply inappropriate way to describe victims. He wasn’t condoning the rapes but definitely described the victims inappropriately the article you linked to also shows him apologising. We could spend eternity giving examples of where the right wing and left wing have made derogatory comments about women. In the case you linked to there was an acknowledgment that they were at least victims but parts of the right wing would suggest (if the attackers were white) that the women had brought it on themselves.

The victims in the Rotherham case were a certain demographic. They were vulnerable due to their home environment and there is no doubt that their attackers held the view that they were “poor, white trash” which they felt entitled them to their bodies. It went on for so long because nobody cared about these children.

The right wing would prefer that peadophilia is kept firmly within the family!

JamieCannister · 26/10/2025 12:59

PermanentTemporary · 26/10/2025 11:51

“It drives me mad when I see adverts full of black people” Pochin
Bondi turning the judiciary into an enforcement department for the executive branch
Noem posing in a vest in front of a detention cage

These are women of the extreme right. Argue that if you like, I don’t agree. My question is, what attracts women to this end of politics?

I would not say “It drives me mad when I see adverts full of black people”. I don't.

I, and many others, would agree with "It drives me mad when I see adverts which I perceive, based on good evidence, as being virtue-signalling nonsense that is more interested in pushing a bigoted and unwanted "woke" narrative than it is in selling what they are advertizing or appealing to the majority of the country.”

OnAShooglyPeg · 26/10/2025 12:56

@nauticant and @timesublimelysilencesthewhys have hit the nail on the head.

I don't see why being women is relevant. Are women not allowed to have right wing opinions?