Far right women

What's wrong with this 'analysis' is it lacks perspective. Harris lost the popular to Trump only by 2 million votes & a couple of hundred thousand in total in swing states, the same amount as Clinton lost to Trump. Trump lost to Biden by 7 million votes.

When you consider Harris had only 100 days to convince voters that she was presidential material despite being given no substantial role to play as VP & a black woman with California baggage was quite impressive.

It's also important note that many post Covid governments got the electoral arse overwhelmingly because of the record inflation that ensued. Harris being VP was attached to Biden's economic record.

Exit polls in all the governments that went down show the same issue being the straw that broke the camel's back: 'The economy' which is usually the culprit hence the famous quote 'It's the economy, stupid'….

If Trump or Starmer can't make headway on the economy they will likely suffer the same fate however many immigrants are deported.

I'm not white and misguided people like you are absolute poison to race relations. I think that the British are remarkably tolerent and fair minded but what they want is for the law to be administered fairly and evenly. The fact they can see it isn't is not racism and I'd suggest you wake up to this fact, unlikely though that is.

I'm not sure advertising is "commercial reality".

Adverts are a product created by the advertising industry, advertising agencies. Those in the industry regard themselves as 'creatives', and that traditionally is a (sometimes far-) left-leaning endeavour (think of all those Hollywood types and how many have transgender children).

I also think there isn't a full appreciation of how DEI distorts industries dependant on raising funds from the market. To cut a long story short, those lenders willing to lend to the creatives tend to attach strings to their loans, namely that the creatives conform to the flavour of DEI that the lender's HR Department imposes. Similar to how companies fell over themselves getting onto Stonewall's 'diversity champion' list, now they all clamour to be 'B Corporations'. And to be accredited as such, they have to sign up to to all manner of behaviours.

TV adverts are regulated by the ASA. Are they as captured as the lenders? I don't know, but I don't see why they wouldn't be.

So, we've got advertising agencies, lenders, and the ASA all pulling leftwards. And part of that leftwards pull is likely 'affirmative action' - also known as 'reality be damned, make the world look how I want it to be'.

It's not a conspiracy, just a cascade of leanings. The creatives want to be right-on, the lenders want to be B-Corps, and the ASA are virtue-signalling. But the end result is that majorities are ignored in favour of promoting minorities. And British society is portrayed as a lot less white than the actuality.

Was anyone else surprised to learn that only 4% of Britons are black? I know I was. And I wonder if that's because I've seen so many adverts, and absorbed them, that I've been misled about my society.

I’ll link the Unherd video directly as it really is jaw dropping, and worth 20 odd minutes of your time. Key takeaway is that “promoting an adversarial narrative” that they don’t approve of, regardless of its factual basis, is considered “disinformation” by the “Global Disinformation Index”.

It's odd, because an awful lot of wc families are mixed race. And I would say it's been that way for quite a long time. People living in fairly mixed communities, going to mixed schools and workplaces. And so they get married, have kids.

I know there is a certain type of person who seems convinced that the people in these relationships are still deeply racists - just like black or Asian the conservatives must be secretly self-loathing or racist themselves.

but it starts to seem like a lot of having to assume that the simplest explanation - that they are not racists - is not the true one, and instead there are weird conspiracies involved.

This is a really interesting thread and investigation by Unherd. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5051761-worth-watching-unherd-investigation-inside-the-disinformation-industry-kathleen-stock-specifically-mentioned

They also seem never to reflect that suppressing the truth is “disinformation” in and of itself. Why do they think people no longer trust the authorities and the media?

There's a thing that Louise Perry was just saying on Winston Marshall's podcast the other day - our governing class seem to think that the white working class are just a seething mass of racism that can explode at any moment.

But it never occurs to them to say - why are these people aggrieved? Are there some government policies that are affecting them adversely? Are there things the authorities are doing that might piss them off?

The whole argument is - it's a disinformation problem, and we need to make sure it's the right messages that are getting out there, and suppress the wrong messages.

They never seem to reflect on why this approach has been tried multiple times for decades and hasn't worked.

There are racists out there, of course, but not as many as people think, and maybe not in the places people think to look.

Indeed. And of course some people are genuinely racist, and things like this make their views seem more plausible and credible to people, who are, as you say, disinclined to trust people who have lied and covered things up.

This is so enlightening….

Now you put it like that, I can see your point about Labour spin.

What is interesting to me, in this case specifically, and with the new approach to racism in general, is that it has clearly correlated to rises in race problems.

Trying to protect evil people so as not to seem racist has the entirely predictable effect of making people suspicious of people of other races and of "antiracist" initiatives in general.

However, I'd like to respond to this:

Why would you trust the public with information that could result in more hate to our most persecuted minority group?

I think I can break this down in an illuminating way.

Why would you

You see the association of "you" with the authorities. That's quite revealing, I think. We are not entering the mind of the victim, or the victim's family member, but of the bureaucrat.

Why would you trust the public

I think this speaks for itself. We identify with the bureaucrat in authority, and it's dangerous for the plebs to know things.

that could result in more hate

This is precisely the position of Sir Keir Starmer KCB KC MP - the problem is not the existence of the grooming gangs, the problem is that Elon Musk is drawing them to the attention of the broad masses. Therefore, what we need is more effective narrative management.

our most persecuted minority group

<a Roma Gypsy enters the chat>

Not to be too snide, but please point out the dozens of local authorities controlled by Romani clans.

On a slightly more serious note, the Roma community has a lot of long-term problems including petty criminality and poor outcomes for women and girls. I don't think those are going to be solved by well-meaning outsiders saying there's nothing to see here.

When it comes to grooming gangs - she may yet disappoint us, but Shabana Mahmood has been saying all the right things. Shabana is of course a Mirpuri woman. It's her community in the spotlight. And if I read her rightly, she believes this scandal has brought massive shame on her community, and that will not be dealt with by further coverups.

I agree with the Home Secretary. It seems many Labour partisans don't.

Circus of the unhinged is spot on.

It’s the circus of the unhinged around these parts tonight, with a decorative pile of little gold wrapped imaginary direct messages

I do recall similarly unhinged comments being made on other threads around this topic on FWR.

I mean I was hoping that @PermanentTemporary would finally come back and address the SWP issue that I've raised multiple times, but this will do pretty well in the interim.

I know I wasn’t going to engage further either with or about that poster, but oh my days 🤣 Ambassador you really are spoiling us

I am not sure what it is many people think being on the right actually means.

According to this thread, it means being ok with paedophiles, and being willing to marry non-white people, despite being disgusted by them, for brownie points.

It's not shocking that people who think stuff like this cannot understand why anyone would be right wing, whetever their sex. There is a level of, I don't know, learned blindness, self-delusion, maybe? - that is quite extreme.

You have to engage with actual politics though, whatever your personal political views, if you want to have political success.

What should be some pretty obvious truths:

Harris ran for the Democratic nomination before. The first state she ran in was California, her own state. She bombed and withdrew. That tells you something about her popularity among Democrats - the people you need to be able to count on to vote for your Democratic presidential candidate.

Harris was among one of the most unpopular VPs of all time. She was not particularly visible during her time and was heavily associated with the complete failure to deal with the border issues.

After Biden had to withdraw, she was generally (and correctly) believed to have been, at the least, complicit in covering up his lack of capacity, probably for several years.

No one with any political sense would run a candidate like that, it's actually nuts.

Cover-ups are a foolish, short-termist strategy. The more you lie, prevaricate and deny, the angrier people are with everyone concerned when the truth comes out. As it inevitably does. And, thereafter, people will distrust official "information" even when it happens to be true, and be readier to listen to alternative versions. It's a gift to people with an agenda who want to stir the pot.

A bit of honesty for its own sake wouldn't come amiss either. And a bit less arrogance.

I am a person of colour living in

Mm ok love - because ‘persons of colour’ describe themselves just like that 🤣

Are you also terribly brave, and have lots of girlfriends?

Oh well, I for one am now completely convinced that you’re definitely on the level and not bonkers / working to push some weird agenda that no one normal could believe in, as I’m sure is everyone reading

There are at least dozens of utterly deluded people who think like you, yes.

As for ‘holding your own’ are you aware that with every false claim you make (and posters like you), many people like me go and do even more research to get the exact facts and confirm how much more correct we are and ill informed you are?

And as for your astonishing claims that it is people calling out the rapists and their powerful enablers that are harming race relations - just wow! - I hope you grow up soon.