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PermanentTemporary · 26/10/2025 10:37

Katie Lam and Pochin from Reform spouting stuff that makes me feel sick. Looking at all the glossy goons like Kristi Noem and Pam Bondi surrounding Trump. I am predicting that Erica Kirk will be the first woman President or perhaps more likely Vance’s Vice President. I’m not talking about women who would like to pay less tax, or Theresa May, but those who rise in extreme right wing circles.

I’m working my way extremely slowly through Andrea Dworkin’s ‘Right Wing Women’. Has anyone else read it? I don’t have any conclusions about this yet…

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ArabellaSaurus · 27/10/2025 07:07

Thanks, added to the watch list!

Easytoconfuse · 27/10/2025 07:07

SionnachRuadh · 27/10/2025 06:40

The example I go back to is those ads on street harassment that Sadiq Khan's administration has produced, urging men to say "maaaate" when they see it happen.

When you watch the ads back to back, there's one thing you can't help noticing. They all feature ethnic minority women being harassed by white men.

I know why they did that. On one level I even sympathise with why they did it, because instinctively you don't want to spread negative stereotypes about minorities. But once you notice if, you can't help feeling gaslit.

Good points. I wondered why they didn't say 'stop that right now you (insert expletives of choice) rather than 'maate'.

WarriorN · 27/10/2025 07:04

DH keeps meeting young 25 year old men who are earning 50k and voting reform, in his profession.

both the tories and labour have failed at something

Howseitgoin · 27/10/2025 07:03

Igneococcus · 27/10/2025 06:44

Yes, howse, I can do that totally straight faced, my question was about the left, or the feckers that claim to be the left at the moment, so don't distract. As long as the "left" doesn't own up to their failures and keep lying (to themselves and the electorate) and keep treating working class people like cattle that owes them them their votes they will keep loosing. No matter how much arrogant shite you spout from your basement in Australia will change this,

By the time dear leader Trump & his incompetent clowns are finished with making cucks out of the electorate that voted him in, they will be begging for Biden to rise from his Connecticut beach chair….

WarriorN · 27/10/2025 06:53

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 27/10/2025 06:26

This is why it should be a matter of public record what political party people vote for, I want to know who it is I live amongst that voted out my right to bodily autonomy all because they thought the left were too ‘woke’ or what have you.

WTAF, this has left me speechless 🤯

Yes that’s giving me Stalin Russia vibes.

Stalin was considered left wing but it became a totalitarian regime.

ultimately the freedom to discuss and establish facts and truth is what is most important here. Democracy relies on this.

secondly, is the prioritisation of children and healthcare. Safeguarding and women’s rights is inextricably attached to that.

the largest actual risk factor wrt safeguarding for children is poverty. Only left leaning parties will prioritise this. Yes defining what a woman is is also vital for this, we are nearly there in terms of this being understood as mainstream.

suppression of accurate information by the leftist media is only going to stoke opposition and push back. As is not confronting home truths by left leaning politicians. This is obvious.

worth listening to this episode of ‘this isn’t working’ as Tanya and Maya visit the reform conference. It’s noted that there’s lots about farming and business etc, very little about education and health. Farmers are moving towards reform as they’ve been forgotten about. They also noted it was a diverse conference.

there’s nobody championing the lifting up of young white men other than reform. They are the majority population of men in the U.K. and now reform are seeking the support of women.

decades of focussing on university degrees has left a chasm of apprenticeship and vocational training in education. We need brick layers, plumbers, plasterers etc. factory workers etc. (Labour are working on this, I know people in the field.)

it sounds like victim blaming but the left, specifically Labour, are responsible for the rise of reform through their inability to tackle far left idealistic liberal issues. tories made inequality and poverty worse which created the foundations that drives young people to seek change.

Coconutter24 · 27/10/2025 06:49

Tontostitis · 27/10/2025 06:18

And always will be.

Exactly, you made it sound like you thought that was wrong

Igneococcus · 27/10/2025 06:44

Howseitgoin · 27/10/2025 06:37

"Why does the (current) left fear the truth so much?"

The dems like any party made strategic errors particularly in not forcing Biden not to run for a second term. Why that was was maybe due to many reasons including thaat they couldn't unite on the matter, donor pressures & the fact that Biden although ageing was not at the state of serious decline initially. It sounds like they were seriously attempting behind the scenes to persuade him not to run but were unable to until it was too late. Obviously they attempted to achieve his voluntary departure out of respect AND political survival behind closed doors rather than in public.

That parties gild the lily from time to time to avoid political fall out isn't exactly exclusive to the left. And that you can sit there with a straight face after the monumental damaging deceit of the Bush & Trump administrations & claim the "left fear the truth" is …..delusional.

Yes, howse, I can do that totally straight faced, my question was about the left, or the feckers that claim to be the left at the moment, so don't distract. As long as the "left" doesn't own up to their failures and keep lying (to themselves and the electorate) and keep treating working class people like cattle that owes them them their votes they will keep loosing. No matter how much arrogant shite you spout from your basement in Australia will change this,

SionnachRuadh · 27/10/2025 06:40

ArabellaSaurus · 27/10/2025 06:28

Advertising suddenly added visible black people post BLM, belatedly addressing the fact they'd long fixated on white.

Clothing models- for a season - were virtually all black (Asian models were still mostly not included) - but people of all skin tones want to know how clothing/fabric colours look against their skin, and now the models are mostly a range of ethnicities. Which is more helpful for everyone.

There's arguments about representation, some sociological and political, and some about advertising psychology and the bottom line, the latter of which are probably going to shift things fastest. Because of course the real point of advertising is money.

I've not read up on what this Reform woman has said, but I wonder if she's pissed off at the dishonest and manipulative aspects of advertising pretending to be all about EDI, when it is supposed to be about being straightforwardly manipulative and dishonest?

The example I go back to is those ads on street harassment that Sadiq Khan's administration has produced, urging men to say "maaaate" when they see it happen.

When you watch the ads back to back, there's one thing you can't help noticing. They all feature ethnic minority women being harassed by white men.

I know why they did that. On one level I even sympathise with why they did it, because instinctively you don't want to spread negative stereotypes about minorities. But once you notice if, you can't help feeling gaslit.

Howseitgoin · 27/10/2025 06:37

Igneococcus · 27/10/2025 05:46

When you consider Harris had only 100 days to convince voters that she was presidential material despite being given no substantial role to play as VP & a black woman with California baggage was quite impressive.

The reason she only had 100 days is -yet again- down- to lying and misinformation. If the Democrats and the US government wouldn't have been so hellbent on lying that Biden was up to the job and his health wasn't failing (while everyone with eyes to see and ears to hear knew this was not true) she'd have had more time. I still don't think it would have made a difference, might have collapsed the Democrat vote even more.
Why does the (current) left fear the truth so much?

"Why does the (current) left fear the truth so much?"

The dems like any party made strategic errors particularly in not forcing Biden not to run for a second term. Why that was was maybe due to many reasons including thaat they couldn't unite on the matter, donor pressures & the fact that Biden although ageing was not at the state of serious decline initially. It sounds like they were seriously attempting behind the scenes to persuade him not to run but were unable to until it was too late. Obviously they attempted to achieve his voluntary departure out of respect AND political survival behind closed doors rather than in public.

That parties gild the lily from time to time to avoid political fall out isn't exactly exclusive to the left. And that you can sit there with a straight face after the monumental damaging deceit of the Bush & Trump administrations & claim the "left fear the truth" is …..delusional.

ArabellaSaurus · 27/10/2025 06:28

Easytoconfuse · 27/10/2025 05:49

According to the BBC, Channel 4 say that 51% of adverts featured black people in 2022 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd7rg7wjvgvo According to the government, in Dorset, to take an out of London example, 6.1% of people are from an ethnic minority.

The media is primarily London based with a few outposts in other big cities. I don't recognise the world the advertisers portray which strikes me as being a bit daft because the advertisers are missing a market.

Noticing this and thinking 'hey, where do I fit in' doesn't make anyone right wing. However, cities predominately vote labour so I wonder how much of an unconscious bias there is towards the left wing?

Advertising suddenly added visible black people post BLM, belatedly addressing the fact they'd long fixated on white.

Clothing models- for a season - were virtually all black (Asian models were still mostly not included) - but people of all skin tones want to know how clothing/fabric colours look against their skin, and now the models are mostly a range of ethnicities. Which is more helpful for everyone.

There's arguments about representation, some sociological and political, and some about advertising psychology and the bottom line, the latter of which are probably going to shift things fastest. Because of course the real point of advertising is money.

I've not read up on what this Reform woman has said, but I wonder if she's pissed off at the dishonest and manipulative aspects of advertising pretending to be all about EDI, when it is supposed to be about being straightforwardly manipulative and dishonest?

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 27/10/2025 06:26

This is why it should be a matter of public record what political party people vote for, I want to know who it is I live amongst that voted out my right to bodily autonomy all because they thought the left were too ‘woke’ or what have you.

WTAF, this has left me speechless 🤯

Easytoconfuse · 27/10/2025 06:21

timesublimelysilencesthewhys · 26/10/2025 12:06

I agree its a bad take.

Whats actually happened is that advertisers want to represent everyone, and that has lead to black people being over represented in adverts.

Most people arent bothered by that in itself. There was a lots of jokes going around about the average couple must be mix race if the advert were to be believed, thats all.

But for some it show how inclusion and represention is prioritised over everything else.

Claim these people racist, but that isnt going to make them vote differently.

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Are they racist though? Or are they not feeling included because when you skew the odds in favour of one group you inevitably skew the odds against another group? I noticed this around the time of the Brexit campaigning and ever since, and it seemed to be me to be a pro-city and university educated bias along with a healthy dose of snobbery.

There again, my degree came via the OU and I don't live in a city, so what do I know? Apart from that advertising and the media doesn't make me feel 'seen'.

Tontostitis · 27/10/2025 06:18

Coconutter24 · 26/10/2025 21:36

But men are born with a penis….

And always will be.

Easytoconfuse · 27/10/2025 06:18

ArabellaSaurus · 27/10/2025 06:08

Many controlling and abusive men would relish this proposal.

And women too because wrong 'uns come in all sorts of varieties. It's just that talking about some of them allegedly makes you an -ist, a -phobe, and quite possibly a stinky poo pants as well, because that's the level of the argument.

It does fascinate me how many people seem convinced that they know all about my motives for doing things when half the time I'm running on gut instinct and then trying to work backwards to work out why I feel that way. ATM, my gut instinct is to slither gently away from the overly dogmatic because running attracts attention.

ArabellaSaurus · 27/10/2025 06:08

NotBadConsidering · 27/10/2025 06:01

This is why it should be a matter of public record what political party people vote for, I want to know who it is I live amongst that voted out my right to bodily autonomy all because they thought the left were too ‘woke’ or what have you.

Well that’s horribly scary and creepy that anyone would think that, let alone say it out loud.

Many controlling and abusive men would relish this proposal.

ArabellaSaurus · 27/10/2025 06:06

SionnachRuadh · 26/10/2025 23:00

There's a thing that Louise Perry was just saying on Winston Marshall's podcast the other day - our governing class seem to think that the white working class are just a seething mass of racism that can explode at any moment.

But it never occurs to them to say - why are these people aggrieved? Are there some government policies that are affecting them adversely? Are there things the authorities are doing that might piss them off?

The whole argument is - it's a disinformation problem, and we need to make sure it's the right messages that are getting out there, and suppress the wrong messages.

They never seem to reflect on why this approach has been tried multiple times for decades and hasn't worked.

There are racists out there, of course, but not as many as people think, and maybe not in the places people think to look.

Its a politics of control, rather than equality.

Control the narrative, you control the people. Control the people, you can create whatever world you think best.

That must be appealing to both ideologues who think they definitely know the One True Way, and to grifters in search of power and self enrichment.

If you believe strongly enough, you can probably manage to be both. Strong, committed defender of the people (against those 'scum' you so despise) who is also deserving of a few little extras like gifts of designer clothes and concert tickets.

It does depend on reducing people to the status of livestock, othering and dehumanising them, and sacrificing all notions of fairness, truth, and justice. For the cause, of course.

Igneococcus · 27/10/2025 06:03

NotBadConsidering · 27/10/2025 06:01

This is why it should be a matter of public record what political party people vote for, I want to know who it is I live amongst that voted out my right to bodily autonomy all because they thought the left were too ‘woke’ or what have you.

Well that’s horribly scary and creepy that anyone would think that, let alone say it out loud.

For once the use of the word fascist would be justified.

NotBadConsidering · 27/10/2025 06:01

This is why it should be a matter of public record what political party people vote for, I want to know who it is I live amongst that voted out my right to bodily autonomy all because they thought the left were too ‘woke’ or what have you.

Well that’s horribly scary and creepy that anyone would think that, let alone say it out loud.

Easytoconfuse · 27/10/2025 05:49

timesublimelysilencesthewhys · 26/10/2025 11:49

If the conservatives and labour are worried about reform winning, they need to address what it is that appeals to potential reform voters.

I take it that this is about a comment about ethnic representation in adverts? Rather than take it in the worst possible way, they need to understand what voters understand about the comment.

Claiming everyone is far right and racist isnt working.

According to the BBC, Channel 4 say that 51% of adverts featured black people in 2022 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd7rg7wjvgvo According to the government, in Dorset, to take an out of London example, 6.1% of people are from an ethnic minority.

The media is primarily London based with a few outposts in other big cities. I don't recognise the world the advertisers portray which strikes me as being a bit daft because the advertisers are missing a market.

Noticing this and thinking 'hey, where do I fit in' doesn't make anyone right wing. However, cities predominately vote labour so I wonder how much of an unconscious bias there is towards the left wing?

Reform MP Sarah Pochin wearing a sleeveless grey textured top, standing indoors against a dark blurred background with soft lighting

Reform MP Sarah Pochin's comments about adverts were 'racist', Wes Streeting says

Sarah Pochin apologises for saying "it drives me mad when I see adverts full of black people, full of Asian people".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd7rg7wjvgvo

Igneococcus · 27/10/2025 05:46

When you consider Harris had only 100 days to convince voters that she was presidential material despite being given no substantial role to play as VP & a black woman with California baggage was quite impressive.

The reason she only had 100 days is -yet again- down- to lying and misinformation. If the Democrats and the US government wouldn't have been so hellbent on lying that Biden was up to the job and his health wasn't failing (while everyone with eyes to see and ears to hear knew this was not true) she'd have had more time. I still don't think it would have made a difference, might have collapsed the Democrat vote even more.
Why does the (current) left fear the truth so much?

DameAlis · 27/10/2025 01:50

Swiftasthewind · 26/10/2025 17:34

Well enjoy your future of living in the Handmaids tale when the emerging Christian Right rise to power and take away all your hard won freedoms & privileges.

This is why it should be a matter of public record what political party people vote for, I want to know who it is I live amongst that voted out my right to bodily autonomy all because they thought the left were too ‘woke’ or what have you.

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You do know why we have secret ballots, don't you?

TheKeatingFive · 27/10/2025 01:24

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/10/2025 23:03

They also seem never to reflect that suppressing the truth is “disinformation” in and of itself. Why do they think people no longer trust the authorities and the media?

Great point

timesublimelysilencesthewhys · 27/10/2025 00:48

Afaik the mix in adverts is so that they appeal to all demographics in the target audience?

Not all demographics are represented though. Pregnant women, the disabled and the elderly are rarely seen. These groups all buy stuff.

Unless advertiser think people are represented by their skin colour alone?

Grammarnut · 26/10/2025 23:41

PermanentTemporary · 26/10/2025 11:51

“It drives me mad when I see adverts full of black people” Pochin
Bondi turning the judiciary into an enforcement department for the executive branch
Noem posing in a vest in front of a detention cage

These are women of the extreme right. Argue that if you like, I don’t agree. My question is, what attracts women to this end of politics?

I have just seen this comment. I think one of them apologised, not sure which. (And I can't stand Reform and Farage.) Afaik the mix in adverts is so that they appeal to all demographics in the target audience?

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